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HOUSE BILL NO. 5043

AN ACT PROVIDING FOR A NATIONAL POLICY ON REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD AND POPULATION DEVELOPMENT, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Philippines in Congress assembled:

SECTION 1. Short Title. – This Act shall be known as the “Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008“.

SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy. – The State upholds and promotes responsible parenthood, informed choice, birth spacing and respect for life in conformity with internationally recognized human rights standards.

The State shall uphold the right of the people, particularly women and their organizations, to effective and reasonable participation in the formulation and implementation of the declared policy.

This policy is anchored on the rationale that sustainable human development is better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.

The State likewise guarantees universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable and quality reproductive health care services, methods, devices, supplies and relevant information thereon even as it prioritizes the needs of women and children,among other underprivileged sectors.

SEC. 3. Guiding Principles. – This Act declares the following as basic guiding principles:

a. In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for either modern or natural methods of family planning;

b. Reproductive health goes beyond a demographic target because it is principally about health and rights;

c. Gender equality and women empowerment are central elements of reproductive health and population development;

d. Since manpower is the principal asset of every country, effective reproductive health care services must be given primacy to ensure the birth and care of healthy children and to promote responsible parenting;

e. The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to, be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless;

f. Freedom of informed choice, which is central to the exercise of any right, must be fully guaranteed by the State like the right itself;

g. While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgment of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs, such concerned parents and couples, including unmarried individuals, should be afforded free and full access to relevant, adequate and correct information on reproductive health and human sexuality and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;

h. Reproductive health, including the promotion of breastfeeding, must be the joint concern of the National Government and Local Government Units(LGUs);

i. Protection and promotion of gender equality, women empowerment and human rights, including reproductive health rights, are imperative;

j. Development is a multi-faceted process that calls for the coordination and integration of policies, plans, programs and projects that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;

k. Active participation by and thorough consultation with concerned non-government organizations (NGOs), people’s organizations (POs) and communities are imperative to ensure that basic policies, plans, programs and projects address the priority needs of stakeholders;

l. Respect for, protection and fulfillment of reproductive health rights seek to promote not only the rights and welfare of adult individuals and couples but those of adolescents’ and children’s as well; and

m. While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure that women seeking care for post-abortion complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and compassionate manner.

SEC. 4. Definition of Terms. – For purposes of this Act, the following terms shall be defined as follows:

a. Responsible Parenthood – refers to the will, ability and cornmitTrient of parents to respond to the needs and aspirations of the family and children more particularly through family planning;

b. Family Planning – refers to a program which enables couple, and individuals to decide freely and responsibly the number and spacing of their children and to have the information and means to carry out their decisions, and to have informed choice and access to a full range of safe, legal and effective family planning methods, techniques and devices.

c. Reproductive Health -refers to the state of physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity, in all matters relating to the reproductive system and to its funcitions and processes. This implies that people are able to have a satisfying and safe sex life, that they have the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when and how often to do so, provided that these are not against the law. This further implies that women and men are afforded equal status in matters related to sexual relations and reproduction.

d. Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of individuals and couples do decide freely and responsibly the number, spacing and timing of their children; to make other decisions concerning reproduction free of discrimination, coercion and violence; to have the information and means to carry out their decisions; and to attain the highest standard of sexual and reproductive health.

e. Gender Equality – refers to the absence of discrimination on the basis of a person’s sex, in opportunities, allocation of resources and benefits, and access to services.

f. Gender Equity – refers to fairness and justice in the distribution of benefits and responsibilities between women and men, and often requires. women-specific projects and programs to eliminate existing inequalities, inequities, policies and practices unfavorable too women.

g. Reproductive Health Care – refers to the availability of and access to a full range of methods, techniques, supplies and services that contribute to reproductive and sexual health and well-being by preventing and solving reproductive health-related problems in order to achieve enhancement of life and personal relations. The elements of reproductive health care include:

1. Maternal, infant and child health and nutrition;

2. Promotion of breastfeeding;

3. Family planning information end services;

4. Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications;

5. Adolescent and youth health;

6. Prevention and management of reproductive tract infections (RTIs), HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmittable infections (STIs);

7. Elimination ofviolence against women;

8. Education and counseling on sexuality and sexual and reproductive health;

9. Treatment of breast and reproductive tract cancers and other gynecological conditions;

10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive health;,

11. Prevention and treatmentof infertility and sexual dysfunction; and

12. Reproductive health education for the youth.

h. Reproductive Health Education – refers to the process of acquiring complete, accurate and relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive system, its functions and processes and human sexuality; and forming attitudes and beliefs about sex, sexual identity, interpersonal relationships, affection, intimacy and gender roles. It also includes developing the necessary skills do be able to distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality; and critically evaluate. and discuss the moral, religious, social and cultural dimensions of related sensitive issues such as contraception and abortion.

i. Male involvement and participation – refers to the involvement, participation, commitment and joint responsibility of men with women in all areas of sexual and reproductive health, as well as reproductive health concerns specific to men.

j. Reproductive tract infection (RTI) – refers do sexually transmitted infections, sexually transmitted diseases and other types of-infections affecting the reproductive system.

k. Basic Emergency Obstetric Care – refers to lifesaving services for maternal complication being provided by a health facility or professional which must include the following six signal functions: administration of parenteral antibiotics; administration of parrenteral oxyttocic drugs; administration of parenteral anticonvulsants for pre-eclampsia and iampsia; manual removal of placenta; and assisted vaginal delivery.

l. Comprehensive Emergency Obstetric Care – refers to basic emergency obstetric care plus two other signal functions: performance of caesarean section and blood transfusion.

m. Maternal Death Review – refers to a qualitative and in-depth study of the causes of maternal death with the primary purpose of preventing future deaths through changes or additions to programs, plans and policies.

n. Skilled Attendant – refers to an accredited health professional such as a licensed midwife, doctor or nurse who has adequate proficiency and the skills to manage normal (uncomplicated) pregnancies, childbirth and the immediate postnatal period, and in the identification, management and referral of complication in women and newborns.

o. Skilled Attendance – refers to childbirth managed by a skilled attendant under the enabling conditions of a functional emergencyobstetric care and referral system.

p. Development – refers to a multi-dimensional process involving major changes in social structures, popular attitudes, and national institutions as well as the acceleration of economic growth, the reduction of inequality and the eradication of widespread poverty.

q. Sustainable Human Development – refers to the totality of the process of expending human choices by enabling people to enjoy long, healthy and productive lives, affording them access to resources needed for a decent standard of living and assuring continuity and acceleration of development by achieving a balance between and among a manageable population, adequate resources and a healthy environment.

r. Population Development – refers to a program that aims to: (1) help couples and parents achieve their desired family size; (2) improve reproductive health of individuals by addressing reproductive health problems; (3) contribute to decreased maternal and infant mortality rates and early child mortality; (4) reduce incidence of teenage pregnancy; and (5) enable government to achieve a balanced population distribution.

SEC. 5. The Commission on Population (POPC0NI). – Pursuant to the herein declared policy, the Commission on Population (POPCOM) shall serve as the central planning, coordinating, implementing and monitoring body for the comprehensive and integrated policy on reproductive health and population development. In the implementation of this policy, POPCOM, which shall be an attached agency of the Department of Health (DOH) shall have the following functions:

a. To create an enabling environment for women and couples to make an informed choice regarding the family planning method that is best suited to their needs and personal convictions;

b. To integrate on a continuing basis the interrelated reproductive health and population development agenda into a national policy, taking into account regional and local concerns;

c. To provide the mechanism to ensure active and full participation of the private sector and the citizenry through their organizations in the planning and implementation of reproductive health care and population development programs and projects;

d. To ensure people’s access to medically safe, legal, quality and affordable reproductive health goods and services;

e. To facilitate the involvement and participation of non-government organizations and the private sector in reproductive health care service delivery and in the production, distribution and delivery of quality reproductive: health and family planning supplies and commodities to make them accessible and affordable to ordinary citizens;

f. To fully implement the Reproductive Health Care Program with the following components:

(1) Reproductive health education including but not limited to counseling on the full range of legal and medically-safe family planning methods including surgical methods;

(2) Maternal, pen-natal and post-natal education, care and services;

(3) Promotion of breastfeeding;

(4) Promotion of male involvement, participation and responsibility in reproductive health as well as other reproductive health concerns of men;

(5) Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications; and

(6) Provision of information and services addressing the reproductive health needs of the poor, senior citizens, women in prostitution, differently-abled persons, and women and children in war AND crisis situations.

g. To ensure that reproductive health services are delivered with a full range of supplies, facilities and equipment and that service providers are adequately trained for reproductive health care;

h. To endeavor to furnish local Family Planning Offices with appropriate information and resources to keep the latter updated on current studies and research relating to family planning, responsible parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition;

i. To direct all public hospitals to make available to indigent mothers who deliver their children in these government hospitals, upon the mothers request, the procedure of ligation without cost to her;

j. To recommend the enactment of legislation and adoption of executive measures that will strengthen and enhance the national policy on reproductive health and population development;

k. To ensure a massive and sustained information drive on responsible parenthood and on all methods and techniques to prevent unwanted, unplanned and mistimed pregnancies, it shall release information bulletins on the same for nationwide circulation to all government departments, agencies and instrumentalities, non-government organizations and the private sector, schools, public and private libraries, tri-media outlets, workplaces, hospitals and concerned health institutions;

l. To strengthen the capacities of health regulatory agencies to ensure safe, high-quality, accessible, and affordable reproductive health services and commodities with the concurrent strengthening and enforcement of regulatory mandates and mechanisms;

m. To take active steps to expand the coverage of the National Health Insurance Program (NHIP), especially among poor and marginalized women, to include the full range of reproductive health services and supplies as health insurance benefits; and

n. To perform such other functions necessary to attain the purposes of this Act.

The membership of the Board of Commissioners of POPCOM shall consist of the heads of the following AGENCIES:

1. National Economic DevelopmentAuthority (VEDA)
2. Department of Health (DOH)
3. Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD)
4. Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE)
5. Department of Agriculture (DA)
6. Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG)
7. Department of Education (DepEd)
8. Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR)
9. Commission on Higher Education (CHED)
10. University of the Philippines Population Institute (UPPI)
11. Union of Local Authorities of the Philippines (ULAFI)
12. National Anti-Poverty Commission (NAPQ
13. National Commission on the Role of Filipino Women (NCRFW)
14. National Youth Commission (NYC)

In addition to the aforementioned, members, there shall be three private sector representatives to the Board of Commissioners of POPCOM who shall come from NGOs. There shall be one (1) representative each from women, youth and health sectors who have a proven track record of involvement in the promotion of reproductive health. These representatives shall be nominated in a process determined by the above-mentioned sectors, and to be appointed by the President for a term of three (3)years.

SEC. 6. Midwives for Skilled Attendance. -Every city and municipality shall endeavor to employ adequate number of midwives or other skilled attendants to achieve a minimum ratio of one (1)for every one hundred fifty (150) deliveries per year, to be based on the average annual number of actual deliveries or live births for the past two years.

SEC. 7. Emergency Obstetric Care. – Each province. and city shall endeavor to ensure the establishment and operation of hospitals with adequate and qualified personnel that provide emergency obstetric care. For every 500,000 population, there shall be at least one (1) hospital for comprehensive emergency obstetric care and four (4) hospitals for basic emergency obstetric care.

SEC. 8. Maternal Death Review. – All LGUs, national and local government hospitals, and other public health units shall conduct maternal death review in accordance with the guidelines to be issued by the DOH in consultation with the POPCOM.

SEC. 9. Hospital-Based Family Planning. -Tubal ligation, vasectomy, intrauterine device insertion and other family planning methods requiring hospital services shall be available in all national and local government hospitals, except: in specialty hospitals which may render such services on an optional basis. For indigent patients, such services shall be fully covered by PhilHealth insurance and/or government financial assistance.

SEC. 10. Contraceptives as Essential Medicines. – Hormonal contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products and supplies shall be considered under the category of essential medicines and supplies which shall form part of the National Drug Formulary and the same shall be included in the regular purchase of essential medicines and supplies of all national and lord hospitals and other government health units.

SEC. 11. Mobile Health Care Service. -Each Congressional District shall be provided with a van to be known as the Mobile Health Care Service (MHOS) to deliver health care goods and services to its constituents, more particularly to the poor and needy, as well as disseminate knowledge and information on reproductive health: Provided, That reproductive health education shall be conducted by competent and adequately trained persons preferably reproductive health care providers: Provided, further, That the full range of family planning methods, both natural and modern, shall be promoted.

The acquisition, operation and maintenance of the MRCS shall be funded from the Priority Development Assistance Fund (PDAF) of each Congressional District.

The MHCS shall be adequately equipped with a wide range of reproductive health care materials and information dissemination devices and equipment, the latter including but not limited to, a television set for audio-visual presentation.

SEC. 12. Mandatory Age-Appropriate Reproductive Health Education. – Recognizing the importance of reproductive health rights in empowering the youth and developing them into responsible adults, Reproductive Health Education in an age-appropriate manner shall be taught by adequately trained teachers starting from Grade 5 up to Fourth Year High School. In order to assure the prior training of teachers on reproductive health, the implementation of Reproductive Health Education shall commence at the start of the school year one year following the effectivity of this Act. The POPCOM, in coordination with the Department of Education, shall formulate the Reproductive Health Education curriculum, which shall be common to both public and private schools and shall include related population and development concepts in addition to the following subjects and standards:

a. Reproductive health and sexual rights;

b. Reproductive health care and services;

c. Attitudes, beliefs and values on sexual development, sexual behavior and sexual health;

d. Proscription and hazards of abortion and management of post-abortion complications;

e. Responsible parenthood.

f. Use and application of natural and modern family planning methods to promote reproductive health, achieve desired family size and prevent unwanted, unplanned and mistimed pregnancies;

g. Abstinence before marriage;

h. Prevention and treatment of HIV/AIDS and other, STIs/STDs, prostate cancer, breast cancer, cervical cancer and other gynecological disorders;

i. Responsible sexuality; and

j. Maternal, peri-natal and post-natal education, care and services.

In support of the natural, and primary right of parents in the rearing of the youth, the POPCOM shall provide concerned parents with adequate and relevant scientific materials on the age-appropriate topics and manner of teaching reproductive health education to their children.

In the elementary level, reproductive health education shall focus, among others, on values formation.

Non-formal education programs shall likewise include the abovementioned reproductive Health Education.

SEC. 13. Additional Duty of Family Planning 0ffice. – Each local Family Planning Office shall furnish for free instructions and information on family planning, responsible parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition to all applicants for marriage license.

SEC. 14. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and information on family planning, responsible parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition.

SEC. 15. Capability Building of Community-Based Volunteer Workers. – Community-based volunteer workers, like but not limited to, Barangay Health Workers, shall undergo additional and updated training on the delivery of reproductive health care services and shall receive not less than 10% increase in honoraria upon successful completion of training. The increase in honoraria shall be funded from the Gender and Development (GAD) budget of the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), Department of Health (DOH) and the Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG).

SEC. 16. Ideal Family Size. – The State shall assist couples, parents and individuals to achieve their desired family size within the context of responsible parenthood for sustainable development and encourage them to have two children as the ideal family size. Attaining the ideal family size is neither mandatory nor compulsory. No punitive action shall be imposed on parents having more than two children.

SEC. 17. Employers’ Responsibilities. – Employers shall respect the reproductive health rights of all their workers. Women shall not be discriminated against in the matter of hiring, regularization of employment status or selection for retrenchment.

All Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBAs) shall provide for the free delivery by the employer of reasonable quantity of reproductive health care services, supplies and devices to all workers, more particularly women workers. In establishments or enterprises where there are no CBAs or where the employees are unorganized, the employer shall have the same obligation.

SEC. 18. Support of Private and Non-government Health Care Service Providers. – Pursuant to Section 5(b) hereof, private reproductive health care service providers, including but not limited to gynecologists and obstetricians, are encouraged to join their colleagues in non-government organizations in rendering such services free of charge or at reduced professional fee rates to indigent and low income patients.

SEC. 19. Multi-Media Campaign. – POPCOM shall initiate and sustain an intensified nationwide multi-media campaign to raise the level of public awareness on the urgent need to protect and promote reproductive health and rights.

SEC. 20. Reporting Requirements. – Before the end of April of each year,the DOH shall submit an annual report to the President of the Philippines, the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives on a definitive and comprehensive assessment of the implementation of this Act and shall make the necessary recommendations for executive and legislative action. The report shall be posted in the website of DOH and printed copies shall be made available to all stakeholders.

SEC. 21. Prohibited Acts. – The following acts are prohibited:

a) Any health care service provider, whether public or private, who shall:

1. Knowingly withhold information or impede the dissemination thereof, and/or intentionally provide incorrect information regarding programs and services on reproductive health including the right to informed choice and access to a full range of legal, medically-safe and effective family planning methods;

2. Refuse to perform voluntary ligation and vasectomy and other legal and medically-safe reproductive health care services on any person of legal age on the ground of lack of spousal consent or authorization.

3. Refuse to provide reproductive health care services to an abused minor, whose abused condition is certified by the proper official or personnel of the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) or to duly DSWD-certified abused pregnant minor on whose case no parental consent is necessary.

4. Fail to provide, either deliberately or through gross or inexcusable negligence, reproductive health care services as mandated under this Act, the Local Government Code of 1991, the Labor Code, and Presidential Decree 79, as amended; and

5. Refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature of work; Provided, That all conscientious objections of health care service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected: Provided, further, That the conscientious objector shall immediately refer the person seeking such care and services to another health care service provider within the same facility or one which is conveniently accessible: Provided, finally, That the patient is not in an emergency or serious case as defined in RA 8344 penalizing the refusal of hospitals and medical clinics to administer appropriate initial medical treatment and support in emergency and serious cases.

b) Any public official who prohibits or restricts personally or through a subordinate the delivery of legal and medically-safe reproductive health care services, including family planning;

c) Any employer who shall fail to comply with his obligation under Section 17 of this Act or an employer who requires a female applicant or employee, as a condition for employment or continued employment, to involuntarily undergo sterilization, tubal ligation or any other form of contraceptive method;

d) Any person who shall falsify a certificate of compliance as required in Section 14 of this Act; and

e) Any person who maliciously en ges in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act.

SEC. 22. Penalties. – The proper city or municipal court shall exercise jurisdiction over violations of this Act and the accused who is found guilty shall be sentenced to an imprisonment ranging from one (1) month to six (6) months or a fine ranging from Ten Thousand Pesos (P10,000.00) to Fifty Thousand Pesos (P50,000.00) or both such fine and imprisonment at the discretion of the court. If the offender is a juridical person, the penalty shall be imposed upon the president, treasurer, secretary or any responsible officer. An offender who is an alien shall, after service of sentence, be deported immediately without further proceedings by the Bureau of Immigration. An offender who is a public officer or employee shall suffer the accessory penalty of dismissal from the government service.

Violators of this Act shall be civilly liable to the offended party in such amount at the discretion of the proper court.

SEC. 23. Appropriations. – The amounts appropriated in the current annual General Appropriations Act for reproductive health and family planning under the DOH and POPCOM together with ten percent (10%) of the Gender and Development (GAD) budgets of all government departments, agencies, bureaus, offices and instrumentalities funded in the annual General Appropriations Act in accordance with Republic Act No. 7192 (Women in Development and Nation-building Act) and Executive Order No. 273 (Philippine Plan for Gender Responsive Development 1995-2025) shall be allocated and utilized for the implementation of this Act. Such additional sums as may be necessary for the effective implementation of this Act shall be Included in the subsequent years’ General Appropriations Acts.

SEC. 24. Implementing Rules and Regulations. – Within sixty (60) days from the effectivity of this Act, the Department of Health shall promulgate, after thorough consultation with the Commission on Population (POPCOM), the National Economic Development Authority (NEDA), concerned non-government organizations (NGOs) and known reproductive health advocates, the requisite implementing rules and regulations.

SEC. 25. Separability Clause. – If any part, section or provision of this Act is held invalid or unconstitutional, other provisions not affected thereby shall remain in full force and effect.

SEC. 26. Repealing Clause. – All laws, decrees, Orders, issuances, rules and regulations contrary to or inconsistent with the provisions of this Act are hereby repealed, amended or modified accordingly.

SEC. 27. Effectivity. – This Act shall take effect fifteen (15) days after its publication in at least two (2) newspapers of national circulation.

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  1. katherine malvar
    February 16, 2010 at 7:10 pm | #1

    i would disagree of this bill because it gives every woman specially the teenager to have the rights and free access to abort the baby inside the womb of the mother R.H bill is not the answer to eliminate the our population it should be bias of this bill let us remember that killing baby inside the womb it’s just like give us to free and legalized the murder in our society baby is not an animal is a human and our constitution mandated that every people has the right to fight for there freedom to live not killings. In china abortion is legalized but we dont follow them because it will lead to put the nation into fire’s of hell.

    • edhel
      March 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm | #2

      In which part does this bill say that abortion is legalized? I think the bill is reasonable.

      • Mario
        October 3, 2010 at 9:13 am | #3

        Read Section 10. “Contraceptives.. are essential medicines…” You read it but you don’t understand it.

        • urak
          October 5, 2010 at 6:41 am | #4

          Contraceptives is a form of abortion? I think you are still living in the dark ages! Ignorant fool!

          • October 5, 2010 at 4:33 pm | #5

            Ask the OCP and IUD companies (or even the obstetricians) how these things work, then come back to us and tell us who is ignorant and fool.

            Oh…and ask microbiologists also if you still don’t understand.

            Okay, I know you will not do that even over the phone, so I will just tell you. Life begins at the moment of conception. All honest scientists, constitutions, and religions agree on that. Now, conception refers to to the moment where the spermatozoon permeates the ovum. The process is also called fertilization, although contraceptive and abortion propagandists desperately deny it.

            Now, the Pill, IUD, and other contraceptives make the uterine wall hostile to the zygote (fertilized ovum), and as a result, the human zygote dies and is being flashes outside the womb.

            In short, millions of human beings are being killed using the so-called contraceptives.

            Any protests? I’ll go back with the previous suggestions.

            • down2one
              October 7, 2010 at 12:01 pm | #6

              forgive me if i’m being ignorant, but by definition, doesn’t contraception mean ‘prevention of conception’? and by that definition, if there was no conception in the first place, it would not be an abortion? most contraceptives work that way, they prevent conception from ever occurring.

              i also think you are confusing contraceptives with abortifacients which are medical drugs that induce abortion.

              the rh bill does not, in any way, promote the use of these abortificients. it clearly says so right there in the bill itself.

              • Wilberg
                October 7, 2010 at 2:09 pm | #7

                I forgive you. However, this issue has been explained over and over again. Anyway, let me just quote this one for you:

                “Other possible secondary mechanisms [of OCPs] have been hypothesized. One example is endometrial effects that prevent implantation of an embryo in the uterus.” – Wikipedia

                Conception – “the act of becoming pregnant; fertilization of an ovum by a spermatozoon.” – wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

                Abortion – “termination of pregnancy” – wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

                You are right, contraceptives are supposed to prevent conception, but that is not always the case here. Instead of preventing conception (fertilization), it prevents implantation in some cases, so it acts as abortifacient rather than contraceptive.

                • down2one
                  October 11, 2010 at 2:34 pm | #8

                  well then there you go, let’s filter out all methods/medicines and allow only those that act before conception, let’s make all ‘contraceptives that in some cases act as abortifacients’ illegal.

                  • October 11, 2010 at 4:02 pm | #9

                    down2one :
                    well then there you go, let’s filter out all methods/medicines and allow only those that act before conception, let’s make all ‘contraceptives that in some cases act as abortifacients’ illegal.

                    Yes, that could be one. But tax issue is another. No more babies will die from these contraceptives-abortificients but all true Catholics will still be violated if the government will use their tax pesos for contraceptive purposes. So another filtration will be made — between Catholic taxes and non-Catholic taxes.

                    Employers should also be filtered — those who are willing to supply contraceptives to their employees and those who are not.

                    Health care providers should also be classified into two — those who believe they can conscientiously do a contraceptive procedure like vasectomy and tubal ligation, and those who interpret this as a violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

                    Family organizations and associations should also be consulted first as mandated by the Constitution.

                    Section 21 of the bill should be entirely re-drafted because this is anti-democracy.

                    But then again, are these suggestions practicable? I don’t think so. PPF will not allow it; Lucile Packard will not allow it; PLCPD will not allow it, and so Edcel Lagman.

                    • down2one
                      October 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm | #10

                      i totally agree that it is impractical. especially the part where you have to filter out catholic vs non-catholic taxes. that’s not just impractical, it’s down right crazy.

                      i mean, it’s clear that many catholics are against this bill, but then a great percentage of catholics do support it too. so do we have to filter those out too?

                      no matter. ultimately, wouldn’t it be the individual’s choice? i mean yeah let’s say my employer hands out a box of condoms, the bill doesn’t really state that i will be prosecuted if i don’t use it, right?

                  • MB
                    October 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm | #11

                    nice comment

                    • edgar
                      October 22, 2010 at 2:52 pm | #12

                      in one way or another, all of us violet what the Catholic Church teaches. i believe many catholic believers knew very little about what our faith teaches on such issue. no wonder that many easily agrees on rhbill. but some who really knowledgeable enough of what the Church teaches, i admire you. for those nominal believers, don’t speak too much especially against your faith, for you do not know your faith yet. you are just catholic by name but not yet in faith.

                  • SaintPhilippic
                    April 20, 2011 at 11:34 am | #13

                    I like reading your comments dude. wish all of us here are as proactive as you… you know, instead of being cynical and the likes….

                • louis limjoco md
                  February 13, 2011 at 8:09 pm | #14

                  contraceptives main action is to deter fertilization, but this doesnt happen all the time. but if it does they will act as abortifacients in killing the fertilized egg or embryo = casing abortion

                • jillie
                  April 21, 2011 at 12:23 pm | #15

                  there you go, you just stated the difference between contraceptives and abortifacients.

                  How can you abort, or “terminate pregnancy”, if nothing has been conceived yet?

                • aillene
                  December 17, 2012 at 2:19 pm | #16

                  I realize pro Rh people, do not care about life and they do not care if they killed an embryo…tao po yan..tiniest form of ourselves. They do not care about God at all. Only God can take away life, remember this.Do not mock the law of God.Fear Him for even if we know that God is merciful, He is also a God of Justice.We do not live forever, our souls will….where u spend that..is up to God, so we should respect life as God respected us and honored us by giving us this gift of life.God saw us all. And He will make sure those embryos killed be given justice in this life or next by those who said, they were not important and does not deserve to live.

                  • crate
                    May 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm | #17

                    ang alam ko kasi, hndi ka pa napatay nga tao nun. Well, ung pagkakaintindi ko kasi eh ipprevent ung fertilization. let’s say na a mothe have been taking pills for months then his husband do love making.. if that woman have been taking the pill for months there is only .1% chance na mabuntis siya. well do you think fertilization will occur kung wala naman pong egg na mamemeet yung sperm? and as we all know life takes place DURING fertilization. Its not like wla pong pakialam sa buhay ng tao ung mga PRO people.. may RH bill man kasi o wala eh umuuso pa din yang abortion na yan. ndi lang dahil sa teenage pregnancy or unwanted pregnancy, may ibang factors na din na kasama yun. Hindi ko din naman pong sinasabi na Life is a choice, kasi dapat yung mga gumagawa ng bagay na yun e handa na talaga sila at wala ng ayawan. Lets face the reality na palala na talaga ng palala yung sitwasyon ng bansa. one way of bringing up some progess in our contry is the population, and yes, ndi ko sinabi na tanggalin ung corruption kasi ndi na matatanggal yan e. some may think na kaya inilunsad tong RH bill e dahil sa gusto lang magkaproyekto ng ilang senador and hndi naman natin maaalis yun. Pero this idea may help us. DISCIPLINE, yan talaga yung way of success para sa issue na ito pero wala naman pong mkakagawa nun. mahirap gawin ang tama.

              • edwardokba
                January 12, 2011 at 6:57 pm | #18

                YOU BETTER KNOW FIRST WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD ABORTION..

              • enjiru
                March 7, 2011 at 10:41 am | #19

                You are right. I think people just confuse abortifacients with contraceptives. They can get all the definitions of every terms used here but they still can’t understand.

              • silentfree
                May 22, 2011 at 7:20 am | #20

                do not focus on the meaning of it… focus on the process of those contraceptives

                • July 5, 2011 at 11:02 pm | #21

                  Sorry to disturb you but I just want to share my opinion as a 15-year old teen. You see we are all witnesses of over population and each of us are engaged to it. This overpopulation is just the effect of the carelessness of Filipinos, majority of us. Sex were supposed to be for MARRIED couples and nothing more. RH Bill is a desperate attempt of the government to control the population explosion. Being a last-ditch effort doesn’t make it any correct. Problem on Population is a result of people’s irresponsible attitude towards sex, doing it for pleasure, for leisure, for business, for attaining means, and not doing it for the very sacred purpose it was created for. Population explosion can be addressed through family planning. Family planning has many ways, there are natural ways, there are invasive ways. The church does not oppose family planning for as long as men use the natural ways of birth control. People behind the RH BILL should know and remember this.

                  You see, if PNoy is really that smart, and still has that Respect for God, or even for the beliefs of his Catholic countrymen, he would and need to know that there are OTHER ways much more safer than this RH Bill to prevent Population explosion that would never be against the Law of God.

                  I am an Anti-RH Bill. FIRM.

                  • David
                    August 30, 2011 at 3:20 pm | #22

                    You fuckin’ idiot you’re dragging religion into this and guess what this isn’t about fuckin’ religion.All Catholics that Muslims are that, its about helping people not having accidental babies and making them poorer. Catholic countrymen my ass what about people who aren’t catholics ? how about people who are atheists ? I thought this country had justice in it ? .. pfff ” I am an Anti-RH Bill. FIRM” if those words were written on paper I’d shit on them right now .. you’re fuckin bullshit.

                    • September 10, 2012 at 11:30 am | #23

                      You must have self control instead of vice. Your words would say of who really you are…

                      If we put aside Religion and follow the so called “morality” the bill is against of it.

                      Can you put the blame on the baby on the mistake that was made by the person who conceive it, and of those who made the women conceive a child?

                      Brother, all we need is to control of ones self….

                    • zoren
                      October 22, 2012 at 11:18 pm | #24

                      David… can you wash your mouth with DETOL or Muriatic Acid rather.

                  • August 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm | #25

                    There is still a lot to learn, kiddo! Your argument is rather on the topic of pre-marital sex and not on population control itself. Young and idealistic are indeed two peas in a pod. Try reading the provisions of RH bill (although in the context of your argument, 15yr olds shouldnt be allowed to read such bills since this will bring you to the topic of sex education so you can just stay as you are and be ignorant as you are). Ignorance excuses no one! :)

                  • greenbear15
                    August 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm | #26

                    you say that there are still other ways on how to prevent the population explosion so can you cite some aside from this bill which can be applicable for the mind set of the filipino people? you keep on complaining about the bill, but can you find any solution to the problem as a replacement to the bill you are complaining? natural method of family planning is not that effective for the Filipinos even though it has been a long time that it is present. it is evident in the state of our population right now.

                  • maning
                    August 22, 2012 at 10:20 am | #27

                    I admire the ideas of this 15-year old who saw through all these —- beyond contraceptives and abortion. A greater issue here is that the youth now need to be guided and informed about their sexuality and its effects on the macroeconomy. What isabella saw is that the bill neither endorses the views of a particular religious sect since these are universal ideals. And she suggests that the probably there are other ways of controlling population than just the RH bill.

            • pops
              December 5, 2010 at 11:10 am | #28

              have you even considered the effect of the growing population to the environment? really, if you do not address population growth, we’ll all end up dead sooner or later, when the earth reaches its carrying capacity.

              im not saying to kill humans. but the choice of use of contraceptives is one’s right.

              have you ever considered the relationship of the growing population to increasing consumption vis-a-vis the limited earth’s resources?

              you are so much concerned about millions of humans being killed by using contraceptives. what about those millions of animals and other resources killed by humans for their own gain? the earth does not have an unlimited supply to support such numbers of humans.

              • December 6, 2010 at 1:04 pm | #29

                The discussion on this blog had already gone very far on discussing diff aspects. If this is your first time here, I encourage you to read the opinions and facts presented here by different people. Such as:

                RH Bill is weapon of Satan
                Overpopulation is being used here by Satan
                The world is not overpopulated
                Contraception is not a solution to overpopulation and poverty
                Contraception is a coerce from UN and other influential countries
                UN is evil.
                Contraception is a sin

                • August 25, 2012 at 12:46 am | #30

                  the catholic church is the real evil! Their teachings are very very far from reality!

              • December 21, 2010 at 7:40 pm | #31

                By the way you argue about correlation between population growth and hunger, I bet you are living in urban area like Manila. That’s where the problem lies. The population density (persons per square meter) of NCR is truly high. But if you look at the entire Phil population density, it is not so. So don’t be so scared. You just happen to live in an area where people flock in. Look at the provinces, they have lesser people in there because many goes to urban for living.

                • January 20, 2011 at 10:15 am | #32

                  goldenerro :
                  Look at the provinces, they have lesser people in there because many goes to urban for living.

                  I agree.
                  http://pinoyearner.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/populasyon-at-pag-unlad/

                  • August 25, 2012 at 12:55 am | #33

                    Look at the provinces, they have lesser people in there because many goes to urban for living. yes that’s correct but look at the kind of living they have.

                • rockyroadlover
                  April 29, 2011 at 4:16 am | #34

                  It’s not about population control, it’s population DEVELOPMENT. People don’t push for RH JUST BECAUSE they’re scared of hunger. It’s all about informed choices.

                  • kyogerXIII
                    May 19, 2011 at 2:20 am | #35

                    Agree to this totally, it’s essentially information dissemination after all, and look at the health care benefits that goes with this bill. seriously, stop staying in the dark ages

                • PersonWithOpenViews
                  February 29, 2012 at 11:47 pm | #36

                  I understand how there are many open places in the provinces, where many people can stay, but consider how much of it is fertile farm land, or for fresh water, or areas generally unsafe for human habitation. To replace farm areas with more homes and such will give us limited land for food, limiting our food supply, increase prices of said food. All of this leads to more poverty, more people going hungry, and more pain for our people. You think that people making homes in the province is easier when they don’t even have enough money to support themselves.

              • January 18, 2011 at 11:03 am | #37

                non sense

              • February 15, 2011 at 8:48 pm | #38

                Don’t angry ha.! But I would just like to say that there are misconceptions with your comment!

              • February 15, 2011 at 8:54 pm | #39

                You like to know why? Just ask and I’m willing to share my opinion… ^^

            • edwardokba
              January 12, 2011 at 6:59 pm | #40

              you’re right.. but it doesnt mean that contraceptives are form of abortion..

              • January 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm | #41

                contraceptives as abortifacient is a false claim. they lie to scare people away from the RH Bill. and n obody believes them.

              • January 20, 2011 at 10:57 am | #42

                edwardokba :
                …it doesnt mean that contraceptives are form of abortion..

                That is not what researchers say. According to iVillage Health website:

                The IUD also affects the uterine lining (where a fertilized egg would implant and grow).

                I assume you know when life begins.

            • MARS
              April 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm | #43

              I AGREE WITH SO HARD TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT MOSTLY RELATED TO THE MEDICAL FIELD..

            • Akon
              May 31, 2011 at 1:26 pm | #44

              I think you need to have more researches and more formal “medical” education before you can conclude all things. Don’t just rely on wikipedia, you should open medical books instead and try to understand what you read. :)

              vanillae :
              Ask the OCP and IUD companies (or even the obstetricians) how these things work, then come back to us and tell us who is ignorant and fool.
              Oh…and ask microbiologists also if you still don’t understand.
              Okay, I know you will not do that even over the phone, so I will just tell you. Life begins at the moment of conception. All honest scientists, constitutions, and religions agree on that. Now, conception refers to to the moment where the spermatozoon permeates the ovum. The process is also called fertilization, although contraceptive and abortion propagandists desperately deny it.
              Now, the Pill, IUD, and other contraceptives make the uterine wall hostile to the zygote (fertilized ovum), and as a result, the human zygote dies and is being flashes outside the womb.
              In short, millions of human beings are being killed using the so-called contraceptives.
              Any protests? I’ll go back with the previous suggestions.

            • jain
              January 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm | #45

              ..yeah your right, I STRONGLY AGREE ON THAT.. some people are just killer, ..they dont have conscience. Probably, if their mother uses contraceptives when they were inside its womb, they should have not live and let RH Bill pass.

          • rain
            October 12, 2010 at 3:02 pm | #46

            The classical definition of the word “contraception” comes from the Latin (contra = opposed to, and concepto = conceive.
            The most common forms of contraception today — IUDs, low-dose oral contraceptive pills, which are the safest type of oral contraceptive pills available — act as abortifacients. abortifacients end the life of the early developing human being after the sperm and egg have been united.

            and what do you know about the dark ages? in fact a lot of great minds lived during that time without them we would not have the foundation to what we know today.

            • ok
              May 20, 2011 at 10:34 pm | #47

              so condoms are ok? because it prevents the meeting of the egg and sperm?

          • tamz
            February 3, 2011 at 8:29 pm | #48

            a contraceptives is not a form of abortion.you should read first before you make an opinion about it.this is how it works.

            The primary mechanism of action of COCs is the inhibition of ovulation. The release of an egg, which commonly occurs in the middle of the menstrual cycle, is prevented by COCs. Two hormones produced by the pituitary, a gland located at the base of the brain, coordinate the development and release of an egg from the ovary. One is follicle stimulating hormone, abbreviated FSH, and the other is luteinizing hormone, or LH. A surge in both of these hormones ordinarily occurs in the middle of a woman’s menstrual cycle. The surge in LH is the trigger for ovulation. COCs inhibit the production of both FSH and LH and consequently prevent ovulation.3

            In the very rare cases where ovulation may occur, another contraceptive mechanism of COCs acts to prevent fertilization. COCs have an effect on the cervical mucus. The progestin contained in COCs causes the cervical mucus to become thick and prevents sperm penetration; the sperm can not pass through the cervix and fertilization cannot take place.

            • February 15, 2011 at 8:58 pm | #49

              Well, I suggest for you not to focus on this (the topic about abortion, contraception, etc.) Instead, focus on it’s impact to development.

            • sting
              May 20, 2011 at 5:13 am | #50

              I agree…

              Birth control is an umbrella term for several techniques and methods used to prevent fertilization or to interrupt pregnancy at various stages. Birth control techniques and methods include contraception (the prevention of fertilization), contragestion (preventing the implantation of the blastocyst) and abortion (the removal or expulsion of a fetus or embryo from the uterus). Contraception includes barrier methods, such as condoms or diaphragm, hormonal contraception, also known as oral contraception, and injectable contraceptives.[1] Contragestives, also known as post-coital birth control, include intrauterine devices and what is known as the morning after pill.[2]

              Control is far more different from abort..

            • September 15, 2011 at 12:13 pm | #51

              So this means that COCs prevents conception? If this drugs would be available to everybody, do you think they would abuse it? so if they abuse it what would happen to our population? Would the government repel this Act again when we would suffer the same fate as Bangladesh. Begging the people to produce more babies to save their economy.

          • fool
            March 14, 2011 at 5:06 pm | #52

            you are the one who is a fool idiot,,moron.. find the meaning of contraceptive first…

          • Giovanni
            March 24, 2011 at 11:53 am | #53

            Urak I agree with you! She is an ignorant fool like a good number of these idiots who automatically reject something they have not read or even made an intellectual thought on the subject matter.

          • Ken
            May 18, 2011 at 11:24 am | #54

            well I just don’t like how the church would threaten a punishment of excommunication to those who support the RH bill especailly the president, that is how popes control king and rulers in the dark ages, I do not approve of such means

          • cong
            May 19, 2011 at 9:01 am | #55

            yahh! they are ignorant!

          • choi
            September 13, 2011 at 4:29 pm | #56

            contraceptives is NOT ABORTION! its a way to prevent pregnancy and not to abort a baby. The bill clearly states

            g. Reproductive Health Care

            4. Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications;

          • January 5, 2013 at 12:58 pm | #57

            Ignorant fool!
            NAKIKINIG KA BA TUWING NAGMIMISA ANG PARI?
            TANGA:(

        • thom
          October 12, 2010 at 9:36 am | #58

          how come the contraceptives becme a medicine?is there an illness that needs to be cured?

          • jopz
            February 17, 2011 at 9:46 pm | #59

            the use of medicine is not limited to curing an illness or a disease, it can be also used as a control (ex. post operative pain) or prevention (taking prophylaxis to prevent acquiring communicable disease)

        • edgar
          October 22, 2010 at 2:01 pm | #60

          what do you mean by saying that “contraceptives are essential medicines..?” thus it mean, that, in order for us not to interrupt our urges to have sex we need to comply with such unethical idea? we are not just simple animals. in fact, animals follow the nature that is exclusively theirs. the dogs for instance, follow the seasons when will be the right time of meeting. animals have just instinct not reason.what about us? if animals can fast, why not humans?

        • edwardokba
          January 12, 2011 at 6:56 pm | #61

          WTF!!.. IT DOESNT MEAN THAT IT USE AS AN ABORTIFACIENT.. CONTRACEPTIVES LIKE PILLS HAVE A THERAPEUTIC EFFECT OTHER THAN PREVENTING PREGNANCY, BUT IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO THOSE WHO HAVE A IRREGULAR MENSTRUAL CYCLE WHICH FERTILITY IS DIFFICULT.. THINK ABOUT IT..

          • January 18, 2011 at 11:06 am | #62

            fool!…i know u want it be passed because you too want to share the advantages that are being offered… :)

          • koko
            March 3, 2011 at 12:57 pm | #63

            you have just give the best good result about what you have just learned or known.but the side effect of that contraceptives is much worst than you have thought…

          • g’ann
            August 19, 2011 at 8:20 pm | #64

            try surfing the web more often..and you’ll find several studies about the NEGATIVE effects of contraceptives..now what’s essential medicines again??

        • koko
          March 3, 2011 at 12:53 pm | #66

          but contraceptives either condom nor pills have big effects in your health in can cause cancers etc.
          if you will not believe in what i have just post, just ask the specialist or mindful doctors..t.y.peace

        • dee
          April 3, 2011 at 4:59 pm | #67

          section 10 didnt talk about abortion.. it is refering to the medcines that is used to avoid conception but not to abort the conception..

        • May 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | #68

          how could a contraceptives become an essential medicine? you take a pill in order to regulate your natural flow of your hormone? is that an essential medicine? instead of letting the hormones go into its natural process, it is being regulated artificially by contraceptive pills, is thatessential medicine?

        • May 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | #69

          how could a contraceptives become an essential medicine? you take a pill in order to regulate your natural flow of your hormone? is that an essential medicine? instead of letting the hormones go into its natural process, it is being regulated artificially by contraceptive pills, is that essential medicine?

        • cooper
          May 23, 2011 at 2:23 pm | #70

          If the main purpose of this bill is to eliminate poverty, I believe there is a better solution for this issue & not this bill. Do you consider contraceptives as a medicine? What do you think you are thinking, are we sick?… Talking about the problem of over population, I do believe that we can overcome this problem if we become true to ourself specially those who are in the position. We can simply supply the needs of the Filipinos with our natural resources & with our government funds. The problem here is instead of using those money of ours in government problems, our beloved officers used this money for their personal interest. Another is we never spend wisely. There’s a lot of government programs there that results to nothing… We just wasted those thousands of sacks of rice & those medicines.

          • ja.
            June 23, 2011 at 1:11 pm | #71

            Rh bill may not be the direct solution for poverty but, it is one, it may be one of the solutions, because poverty is a enormous problem faced by our country and, there’s no single solution for it.

          • karen211983
            July 3, 2011 at 12:58 pm | #72

            right, (excerpt from Ina Barrameda’s Letter for a politician) Poverty is not caused by over population. Poverty is caused first and foremost by inefficient Leadership. If you take a look at the root of it all you will see that the ruin of the Society has never been caused by the people. —-It is atrocious how people, esp. the poor ones, are seen as the stumbling block to this country’s progress, Is it the poor who steal billions of pesos of tax payer’s money?…….. maybe instead, of blaming the innocent, we should be pointing our finger in another direction. it is so easy to manipulate the words to justify one’s actions and incapability, and then put the blame on the Victims. In fact the single most important resource in a country is human resource. — the Bigger the population, the more people there will be for work. the more people there will be to consume.correspondingly, if you have less people, there will also be less output. —– Overpopulation is nothing but a myth used as a scapegoat by powerful people as a way to continue their inefficient agenda….

            Let’s all act as what god told us.. it’s not about religions or political views and morality… it’s Conscience.

            • maning
              August 22, 2012 at 10:55 am | #73

              You’re right. But RH bill is one of the ways out of poverty —- by giving people especially the young ones adequate information about their sexuality (rights and obligations). The bill wants to give everybody a choice whether or not to use contraceptives or not; and whether to use natural or modern methods.
              As to your myth of overpopulation, you are partly correct. It is rather the unequal sharing of resources that causes hunger. So how do you solve it? Convince the rich to feed the poor?
              It doesn’t also follow that the lesser people have lower output. How is it that one European farming household can feed at least five more households, whereas it takes two Filipino farming households to support a family. That is because of technology.
              Overpopulation maybe a myth but we need to somehow control population growth.

          • Winston
            August 20, 2012 at 7:35 pm | #74

            Why blame the government for the stupidity of its own people. The Lord said ” Go and multiply your flock”. It means go and teach the world the teachings of God and expand your believers. NOT GO AND MAKE MORE BABIES!!!!!

        • tomprober
          May 23, 2011 at 8:02 pm | #75

          The RH bill declare that contraceptives are essential medicines. If they are what illness do these contraceptives treat?

        • Pulubi
          August 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm | #76

          bobo! Contraceptives is used before intercourse, no life in the womb yet, hence, it is not abortion. Read and understand before your comment.

        • rea
          August 12, 2012 at 8:29 pm | #77

          I think we have a misunderstanding with ” Contracentives… are essential medicine..” The bill doesn’t literally mean “essential” as in we cannot live without it. It means with respect to the bill itself it is essential, a necessity. Why? Because it is what the bill promotes,, (correct me if i’m wrong)…the use of contraceptive to promote reproductive health and population dev’t. Just imagine, how can you promote the bill without contraceptives ( well if the gov’t wants to go with natural control what can i say).

      • IrvinDgreat
        October 11, 2010 at 4:01 pm | #78

        have you read the bill???

      • Teresa
        April 26, 2011 at 1:34 pm | #79

        I agree with this Bill, contraceptive is different from Abortion. We should be very open to this issue because this may be the way for Philippine development.

        • zatho
          May 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm | #80

          TERESA,

          TRUE, AS IT IS WRITTEN CONTRACEPTIVES ARE ALLOWED AND PROMOTED IN THE RH BILL.

          HOWEVER MANY CONTRACEPTIVE MEDICINES CAN ALSO ACT AS ABORTIFACIENT. BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT FUNCTIONS. YOU CAN READ ABOUT IT IN MEDICAL JOURNALS, PROBABLY IN MEDICINE TEXTBOOKS.

          YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT , BUT SOME PILLS COULD ACTUALLY BE KILLING YOUR UNBORN BABY (WELL ACTUALLY NOT A BABY YET, BUT IF IT IS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE TO GROW IN THE MOTHER’S WOMB.. IT WILL NEVER BE A BABY.

          • greenbear15
            August 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm | #81

            Pills can kill the unborn baby if and only if you had intake the pill without consulting first to any obstetrician-gynecologists.

      • May 12, 2011 at 3:44 pm | #82

        korek.. i believe that these bill will contribute a lot, and help minimized the problems being face by the country.. and i believe that the bill has enough reason why they need to pursue it.!!

      • g’ann
        August 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm | #83

        there is that thing called “mask provisions”.. it means cunning, deceiving…they are mostly used to lead to another provisions or interests of the authors..

      • March 23, 2012 at 8:30 pm | #84

        it may not directly say that it is pro-abortion but indirectly, it does kill.

        • March 29, 2012 at 11:05 am | #85

          if its not written in the law, then it is not allowed. in fact the rhbill actually states abortion is illegal. how much more direct can it be?

          i don’t understand why people keep on insisting on imagining things that are not there.

      • Zaldy
        May 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm | #86

        this bill gives people an opportunity to make sex like an animal does…there is no more sacredness.
        section 4 specifically letters k and l pointed out the legalization of abortion,,,materials and trained personnel were provided in that section to do such kind of act. this bill absolutely i say is not for the protection of women but for them to be destroyed…

      • September 10, 2012 at 10:56 am | #87

        you must understand that the RH bill is against the universality of morality.

        • September 10, 2012 at 8:15 pm | #88

          says who?

          • September 12, 2012 at 7:06 pm | #89

            Moral Universalism is the meta-ethical position that there is a universal ethic which applies to all people, regardless of culture, race, sex, religion, nationality, sexuality or other distinguishing feature, and all the time. A universal ethic is a moral system that applies universally to all of humanity, and thus transcends culture and personal whim. The source or justification of this system is variously claimed to be human nature, a shared vulnerability to suffering, the demands of universal reason, common themes among existing moral codes, or the mandates of religion

            —http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_moral_universalism.html—

            • September 12, 2012 at 7:54 pm | #90

              that is a philosophical thesis, not all may believe it. neither do we know if it’s for real or the truth. that is what a philosophy is at its core .

              a philosophy is like religion, one has a group of believers and non believers. in religion for example there is no universal agreement on many things, like for example who is God, heaven, hell, etc.

              it is egocentric for the church to say that “natural law” is universal.

              • September 14, 2012 at 10:08 am | #91

                How do you know about Philosophy? Your view is an egoistic approach even. You are opposing what is universal. The morality of that the Church is saying in on the line of Filipino values. A moral value that is universally accepted by the Filipinos. Take away its universality, there would be no longer order on the understanding of what is moral and what is not. People would do on what is moral for them is moral. A self centered morality basing upon the measure of human selfishness.

                • September 14, 2012 at 8:37 pm | #92

                  you don’t even know what my philosophy is and you are already saying its egoistic. lol

                  • G-Jay
                    September 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm | #93

                    Are you following Albert Camus’ philosophical idea on absurdism…?

    • soundjudgment
      March 21, 2010 at 2:22 am | #94

      Obviously you did not read the entire bill. It clearly states that abortion will remain a crime, but caring for women who underwent post abortion will be given in a humane and compassionate way. This bill shows that the country is headed in a progressive way in enforcing the rights of women. Actually, not only women, but couples and all individuals who want to have better access to information for family planning which does not limit to the “ineffective rhythm method” but to other methods/devices for birth control. This bill will ensure the prevention of widespread STDs and infanticide for the marginalized groups.

      • justathought
        April 14, 2010 at 11:57 pm | #95

        What do you want then, treat them as harshly as possible or worse, let them die? do you honestly think that this is just?

        i don’t think there is anything wrong in caring for women who underwent abortion in a humane way. treating them harshly will not give any justice at all, in the same vein that treating them AS HUMANS and giving them the proper treatment do not necessarily mean that we promote abortion. even the most cold blooded criminal have rights too, and so do these women.

        “hindi maitatama ang pagkakamali ng isa pang pagkakamali.”

        please grow up.

        • John
          May 19, 2011 at 11:46 am | #96

          May I ask a question, Is there a woman who went to the process of abortion who got imprisoned? If there’s not, how can we say that they are treating abortion as a crime? hmmmm.. just a thought…

      • May 30, 2010 at 2:39 pm | #97

        No, the RH bill does not “clearly” states that abortion will remain a crime. Besides, it does not have the power to decide whether it will remain a crime; only a change in the Constitution can make that. Instead, it just recognizes the “status of abortion” in the Philippine law. Actually, the line, “as abortion remains a crime and is punishable,” is deceptive. It conditions the mind of the readers that the bill confirms the absolute criminality of abortion, while it does not and it cannot. The purpose is to make it look like an anti-abortion bill. In reality, the law on abortion “may” change; it just needs a charter change. One of the problems with just reading the text of HB5043 is that it would be more difficult to see the intentions of those who “really” wrote it and what are the influences behind it.

        Do we really need to have an additional law in order for the health care providers to be humane and compassionate? Do we need another bill just to have the government give enough budget for the facilities needed to treat post-abortion complications? And where is the right of women placed in the bill? Who really profit from condom, the pill, IUDs and other contraceptives? Is it not those men who cannot master their flesh and those who look at their wives as if they are sex gadgets — objects of pleasure?

        Furthermore, what do women experience just to give inordinate pleasure to their husbands (or to men)? Answer: the side effects and risks of contraceptives which the RH bill obviously and commonsensically does not mention. Have you still not heard about the significant number of side effects of OCPs? How about the link between condom use and pre-eclampsia? It just happened that I was a medical transcriptionist, and obstetrics and gynecology is not very foreign to me. Now, please decide: with the pleasure that men get and the risks that women suffer (or at least have the possibility to suffer), where is the women’s right placed in the RH bill?

        But one of those things that puzzle me the most is the concept of STD protection. These are my questions: [1] How absolute is the protection that condom use gives to prevent STDs? Of course, it is not 100% even if it is used 100% correct. Why would a law encourage people to risk their health just to have sex? What it suggests is that man should accept that self-mastery is a fantasy. “Why suffer no-sex even when you are sick if you can protect yourself and others by using condom?” Is it not the idea? Okay, let us assume that it is impossible for human to control sexual urge, what do you think will happen to him if his/her whole body are already blisters and ulcers, can he still have sex? Will he die if he cannot? Will they design a whole body condom for him? This bill pushes people to degrade themselves instead of helping them recognize their true dignity as person. [2] And why, why, why do the proponents of this bill propose that condom use will protect couples from infecting each other? Where would the infection come from? Why would your husband or your wife be infected by STDs if you are not sick? Some fools might say, “It is just for protection.” You would protect yourself from your partner because you think there might be a possibility that you both do not know that he/she is infected? Come on! That is so, so, so insensitive! If you want to be sure that the person you will marry is not sick, is it not wise to have a checkup before the wedding instead of throwing away money to the trash bin together with semen when you are already married? If this was done and both of you were proven healthy, why would you need to protect yourselves from STDs? Those billions of peso that the government will use to satisfy men’s carnal and irresponsible desires can surely create livelihood and dignified life for the citizens instead. Even unholy fathers know what to give to a child if he/she is asking for a fish or an egg. If your child asks of these from you, will you give him condom or pill instead? I will not. But can good character, industry, self-mastery, and generosity help a family? It can and it will.

        RH bill is proposing a wrong solution to a real problem. Why? Because its proponents do not recognize the real issues. In the Philippines, projects mean corruption. That is true from the executive down to the barangay level. Why give billions of taxpayers’ money to this unnecessary, destructive, and corruption-prone proposal?

        Do we still need to discuss the other parts of the text? I already read the bill way back to its first publication on http://jlp-law.com, and I still repeatedly read it. I even proofread and corrected my copy, which all of the online sources I saw do not (or at least failed to notice the errors). The principle of the bill applies to the whole document; that is to say, the intentions of those who wrote it are clear in every word that was used through the entire script. And what is this principle? DECEPTION. Representative Edcel Lagman can help us prove that. The congressman insists that “fertilization of the ovum is not the same or synonymous to conception.” The purpose of the claim is to prove that RH bill does not violate Article II Section 12 of the 1987 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines, which says, “The State shall protect human life from the moment of conception.” Again, I am not a doctor but I am not medically illiterate either. And besides, this is not the only part of the Constitution that RH bill attempts to violate.

        • October 1, 2010 at 9:03 pm | #98

          This bill is not about discouraging people from overcoming their sexual urges (even if you believe it is something to overcome; I personally don’t). It’s about protecting those that choose to listen to their urges. It’s about giving people a CHOICE. Choice is a fundamental human right. Take away choice, take away humanity.

          • October 4, 2010 at 5:30 pm | #99

            Take away self mastery and you’re taking away humanity. Would you like to protest?

            • raye
              October 8, 2010 at 1:13 pm | #100

              problem is, not all people are like you..self master..only people with access to right education can do that, problem again is, not all people had that, and if you think there is a chance that time will come that everybody will have the right education (or the best one if you will) and become self masters (like you i presume), then you are correct..problem is again, ancient masters have been wishing that since time immemorial which brings us back to the problem..there are too many of us..what do we do? eliminate them? of course not..that would be against self mastery..but can we minimize the growth of the population? yeah i think we can, if we are self masters..don’t do your wife unless you want to have a child (of course the wife should agree with you once you decide to it with her, if not, then don’t..she might feel that you are using her as a sex object)..otherwise you are not a self master..but can we use other means that can prevent conception while we do it? hmm..i don’t know..what do you think master? enlighten us..what is the solution to our growing problem of over population…?

              • October 8, 2010 at 5:00 pm | #101

                “problem is, not all people are like you..self master”

                So the solution is to remain slaves? With your statement, you are approving that to take away self-mastery is to take away humanity but you still want to present another option. Aside from being human, do we have another option? What is that? To be animals? What you’re really saying is that not all human beings can be humans.

                “only people with access to right education can do that”

                Only people with access to right education can be human? Hmmm…you have a point there, but if I am not mistaken, you are referring to scholastic education, which in reality is not really helping us that much when it comes to self-mastery or being human. Academic schools teach us academic skills, of course. Values education comes from home and church. It’s ironic that the RH bill even wants to snatch these right and duty from them – another reason why it should not be passed as a law. You don’t need lots of money to have morality. You can’t buy one anyway. Or else, I assume that you’re suggesting poor and uneducated people are automatically immoral or slave or not human.

                You are trying to make a series of unfortunate events, but unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, I should say), you have used a wrong link and it has disconnected everything.

                “what is the solution to our growing problem of over population…?”

                What is overpopulation, by the way? Who are the sources of that concept? Have you proven its existence? Can you show us the proof? Rather, it is because of its popularity that it became “true”. “If the US say it, it must be true!” In any problem, the first step is to prove that the problem exists. Now, if you will say that the country’s economic poverty is the proof of overpopulation, then the conclusion is wrong. A country is not poor because there are many people, and it is not rich because there are few people.

                Think of this. If you are working 20 hours a day, would it automatically make you rich? No. Wage rate is a factor. Environment is a factor. Expenditure is a factor. Attitude towards money is a factor. And if you are being robbed everyday, will your P1-million-per-month income make you rich? Many in this country (and in other countries) are poor because some are too rich; because no one wants to be his brother’s keeper. (Now, don’t take the word “no one” literally.) If the wealth of the country is distributed with proper equation, nobody should be hungry. You might say, “Well, that’s a good dream that cannot come true.” Yes, it will not come true because instead of addressing the real problems, we choose to blame the issue to other things such as population and lack of resources, for the sake of convenience. If we are really looking for the true solution, the best thing is to open a table for suggestions, instead of ignoring everyone else and proposing family-related policies, violating the rights of families and family associations / organizations, and disrespecting the Law of the Land. Edcel Lagman and company’s behavior is surely not the answer, and is actually a very bad example.

                • December 21, 2010 at 7:50 pm | #102

                  you are right. scare mongers want to use the too-much-population-causes-hunger silly argument. It is easy to understand by the dumb majority but it is always an stupid argument. the problems always lies with MONEY. as long as Central Bank produces unlimited fiat money, poverty will never be solved because there will always be transfer of wealth and sweat from middle class and poor to few rich and elite bankers.

                • John
                  May 19, 2011 at 1:49 pm | #103

                  @vanillae,
                  I just want to second the motion regarding what you’ve said, because you’re definitely right, population is not the problem, and we are not poor because of overpopulation, let me sight an example, what about China, China I think has the most quantity in terms of population yet they are a progressing country, it is because people and government there choose to solve the problem by thinking of good and beneficial solution and not by passing a law for a “problem” that is really not a problem and what vanillae have said, may really not exist. poverty is not because of population, it is people choose to be poor and government choose it to let it be just that way. RH bill is not needed by this or by any country.

                  • jerico
                    June 13, 2011 at 12:38 pm | #104

                    excuse me? are you aware of 1 child policy of china? and if ever you want more than 1 child, then you have to pay a big amount of money to do so! pls research first before you comment!

                    • Winston
                      August 20, 2012 at 7:50 pm | #105

                      CORRECT!!!!! That is why there are TONS of CHINA – CHINESE here in the Philippines and they are taking the advantage that they can have more children here.

                • maning
                  August 22, 2012 at 11:48 am | #106

                  You’re right. We should keep the table open. But while we’re at it, the RH bill could be a way out of poverty by addressing the ballooning population. And the PopCom could already devise the curriculum for 5-graders to HS seniors about population education.
                  Sad to say however that instead of constructive suggestions, wen end up debating and debasing each other’s ideas and resorting to name-calling.

              • NAC
                February 17, 2011 at 9:29 am | #107

                Did I get you correct raye that husband can only have coitus with his wife for purposes of child bearing?

                (just a word of advise to all who gave comment to please refrain from insulting each other)

                • February 17, 2011 at 2:40 pm | #108

                  this is the stand of the catholic church – sex is meant for procreation.

                  • krissyinthecity
                    April 26, 2011 at 5:59 pm | #109

                    but sex is one of the basic human needs…we always here this in mass “go and multiply” people usually take it literally when in fact it means we should multiply in God’s belief…

                    this bill is not saying that we should refrain from bearing a child and that we should put an end to the human population…contraceptives are there but you are not really forced to use it if you don’t want to…this is not “the two child policy” even the family code of the Philippines say that you can have as many children as you want as long as you can provide their needs…

                    • chris morales
                      September 19, 2011 at 11:27 pm | #110

                      uwagan lng jud ka ky nkaingon ka ana nga basic needs ang sex

            • down2one
              October 11, 2010 at 5:22 pm | #111

              ‘self-mastery’ would include the right to make your own choice. so if you take away someone’s right to choose, you take away their ‘self-mastery’, wouldn’t you think so?

              • October 11, 2010 at 6:39 pm | #112

                down2one :
                ‘self-mastery’ would include the right to make your own choice. so if you take away someone’s right to choose, you take away their ‘self-mastery’, wouldn’t you think so?

                Self mastery is “the conscious control of one’s behaviour”; it is going beyond one’s instincts and recognizing personhood — not letting the animal decide.

                The right to make one’s choice, on the other hand, can make you choose not to master yourself.

                Besides, in this country, everybody has his choice; he should be responsible about it, however.

                • down2one
                  October 12, 2010 at 8:34 am | #113

                  so by that definition, people who cannot consciously control their behavior (people with psychological disabilities for example) are less human and more animal? i don’t think you’d agree with that at all… but i think that’s going off topic.

                  anyway, you raise a fine point when you mention responsibility. of course everybody should be responsible for his own choices and actions.

                  • October 12, 2010 at 9:21 am | #114

                    down2one :
                    so by that definition, people who cannot consciously control their behavior (people with psychological disabilities for example) are less human and more animal? i don’t think you’d agree with that at all.

                    You are right, I would not agree with that at all. The quoted definition was, as was just said, quoted. It was not my own definition but I understand it anyway. People who have psychological disabilities are not less human just because they cannot consciously control their behavior. Their humanity is determined by their nature since they simply don’t have a choice like us to consciously act as humans. The people in the issue of human responsibility, on the other hand, are those who have normal mental status but choose to obey their instincts, instead, and disregard their moral sense. It is choosing to be more carnal than intellectual; slaves of drives instead of masters of it — in short, more of an animal than of a human.

                    • down2one
                      October 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm | #115

                      but if they do choose (or give in, or whatever) to their uh… carnal instincts, but act on them in a manner that is responsible or moral. wouldn’t that would make them intellectual masters of themselves?

                      i would call it intellectual maturity (or whatever), and i would even rank it higher than ‘self-mastery’

          • gabrielle
            August 15, 2011 at 7:20 pm | #116

            yes we do have the right and power to choose what we want but did it ever occur to your mind that you might be choosing what is wrong for us? that’s why we have to pause for awhile and think twice. “nasa huli ang pagsisisi,,”

          • September 10, 2012 at 11:14 am | #117

            The bell highly promotes sexual urges by the use of contraceptive. Urges enjoyment anywhere and everywhere in anyway you like it. Human as we are must have virtue instead of vice. The answer of family planning is self control and not by the use of urges in order to promote good and save family planning. Yes! We all have choice and to choice must always be in line into free choosing. Thus it promotes freedom. But we must always remember that freedom must always be in line with morality. What the bell prates is on the immorality of such an act being done by the user. It may promote freedom to women but it may lead you to you used by such freedom.

            • September 10, 2012 at 8:14 pm | #118

              its ridiculous to say the bill promotes sexual urges. all contraceptive methods are available today, no promotion of sexual urges are being done, unless you yourself feels sexual urges when you see a condom, a pill or think of NFP.

              • September 14, 2012 at 10:22 am | #119

                The act of intercourse by the use of contraceptives is against the essence of intercourse which is reproduction. The reproductive health Bill which purpose is on the family planning which includes the ideal family size at it is mentioned in SECTION 16. The act of doing this is out of its purpose which is to plan of having a child and not just for fun or shall I say urges between the doers of an act. Intercourse must only be for husband and wife legally married by the church and by law. To engage into an act of intercourse which is to fulfill such longings and not for procreation is what I object. There is nothing wrong on its purpose but the propose Bill is not the right thing to be given. The purpose and the way of exercising the Bill is not proper in it self.
                An immoral act being done in a number of times is a vice. Too much attachment to a vice may lead to necessity.
                If you are using contraceptive in doing that action, what is your purpose to have a child or to satisfy such needs? Of course…. your purpose is not to have a child, TAMA? Soooo…what is your purpose?

                • September 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm | #120

                  ask any married couple and they will tell you intercourse is not about making babies. they will tell you it is about giving and recieving pleasure from your partner, about expressing love to one another.

                  sex between two barren couples is not about having babies for example. or people who can no longer have babies because of age or illness. some couples who cannot have babies marry and it is not about making babies.

                  • October 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm | #121

                    …..and that is my point, that situation is the problem. How much pleasure is they can give if the law has legally promulgate the usage of contraception…thanks for the situation… The Big question is that; is it moral to contra the biological make-up of our body just for the seek of pleasure?

        • pomum
          October 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm | #122

          very smart.

        • matt
          May 12, 2011 at 12:43 am | #123

          Very well written and rationally argued. This fascistic piece of legislation is iniquitous in the extreme. It authorizes, which is its intent, a vast unwanted and unwarranted tier of government to intrude upon the private domain of the individual in matters of human relationships and marriage, parenthood and all aspects of human sexuality, which are rightfully the proper domain and sovereignty of the individual alone. The covert and overt intention of this act is to assert the primacy of the state and to impose the will of the state upon the individual by duress and to enforce such with draconian and punitive measures. This is an evil piece of legislation which should be resist by any and every citizen who values their freedom and their sanity.

        • leslie mae
          May 12, 2011 at 12:46 am | #124

          This fascistic piece of legislation is iniquitous in the extreme. It authorizes, which is its intent, a vast unwanted and unwarranted tier of government to intrude upon the private domain of the individual in matters of human relationships and marriage, parenthood and all aspects of human sexuality, which are rightfully the proper domain and sovereignty of the individual alone. The covert and overt intention of this act is to assert the primacy of the state and to impose the will of the state upon the individual by duress and to enforce such with draconian and punitive measures. This is an evil piece of legislation which should be resist by any and every citizen who values their freedom and their sanity.

        • maning
          August 22, 2012 at 11:33 am | #125

          I don’t know why STD was mentioned here!

      • edgar
        October 22, 2010 at 2:35 pm | #126

        oh really? but still, all sorts of arguments cannot hold water. are you sure that this bill will really ensure the prevention of widespread STD? from where did you get that assurance? i suppose the contrary is true. for each of us who is inclined on sex would do it every time the urges come. the holes of condom for instance, is bigger than sperm. so if that’s the case, how could you prevent STD? PRE, go back to basic, self control. make these people busy…meaning, give them something to do, that is work.that would surely help them. and the must important thing that the authority must do is to level up the standard or quality of education. that education is not about so much focus on sex as what they do today, but real one. how can you prevent the young not to be curious about sex if at their younger age you already awaken their mind of such activity which only adults are supposed to know? to tell you, there is time for everything. there are more serious problems in our country that are in need of urgent attention by our government. after all, what is beyond this rh bill? it’s more on money dudes… again and again…corruption is the root. everything is rooted in the heart of man.

        • December 21, 2010 at 7:54 pm | #127

          why you people always believe that the government is too good that it can always take care of you? all the politicians and bureaucrats want is your tax money.

      • February 15, 2011 at 9:04 pm | #128

        You know why it is ineffective? Because of lack of discipline! No, it’s not really that such rhythm method is ineffective. Yet, it’s only the couple who lacks discipline.

      • NAC
        February 17, 2011 at 9:18 am | #129

        I agree with you soundjudgm when you mentioned “ineffective rhythm method”. Lot of Filipino women have irregular menstrual cycle and to rely only to church promoted natural method will only result to so many pregnancies. It is settled that abortion is a crime. In the same manner that using condom will definitely result to abortion. Legally, we need to know the kind of medicines used if it prevent the meeting of the sperm and the ovum or it kills them after their rendezvous.

      • tomprober
        May 23, 2011 at 8:12 pm | #130

        If the microscopic holes of condoms measure 5 microns and the aids virus measure only 1 micron, how can condoms prevent aids? If pills and IUDs abort the life of the unborn from conception, how can these prevent killing?

        • May 23, 2011 at 8:59 pm | #131

          the presence of microscopic holes in condoms is just a scare tactic that has not basis. stop spreading lies.

          pope benedict recently said male prostitutes can use condoms. he had no worries on microscopic holes in condoms.

      • August 25, 2012 at 1:29 am | #132

        I salute you! those who are anti RH bill are closed-minded people. They are just like most of the roman catholics.

    • PJ
      June 27, 2010 at 8:31 am | #133

      nope, in some way this Bill is good i think you should read the bill again for you to understand because abortion also remain as a crime it is punishable

      • October 4, 2010 at 5:32 pm | #134

        You are being deceived by the wordings of this bill. It has no power to make abortion legal even if it choose to. Only a charter change can make that.

      • pomum
        October 6, 2010 at 4:07 pm | #135

        must be “against abortion” but what would happen to those who have undergone abortion? the people will even more get encouraged because the government will take care of them.

    • tart gomez
      October 5, 2010 at 9:55 am | #136

      hahahahaha you dont understand the bill.. how come that teenagers has a free access to abort baby.. the bill is about contraceptives… hello… read it first dami mong alam tanga

    • Arthur
      December 9, 2010 at 3:01 am | #137

      I hate this Bill because it legalized contraceptives..

      Let us do some definition..
      Contraception come from the words “contra” and “conception.”
      Contra-means against
      Conception-means beginning of life or we simply say life
      Therefore, the word contraception literally means against life..

      Forbid me, but I would say that this RH Bill is for killers..
      If this policy will be observe in our country, we will be oblige to kill, to become murderers of the unborn..remember, thou shall not Kill..
      If you are a Catholic Christian or a Christian who lives with the Faith in Christ, the Bread of Life, the Son of God, you must not adhere to this Bill….. I warn you, the RH Bill is a rebellion against God, the Source of Life..

      Praticallity?
      Overpopulation is not really the problem of our country.. There are countries like Japan who have great number of people but have small land area yet they manage to become a Tiger economy country.. We have preferable population-land area ratio than that of japan..
      In fact, population is an asset for a country.. Even on Ancient times until now, the pioneering country for civilization are those who have great number of population..

      Health?
      According to study, the HIV Virus is 5 times smaller than the diameter of the hole of a finest rubber… So, how can a condom prevent the disease?

    • MJGS
      February 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm | #138

      abortion is not the solution neither the use of artificial contraceptives. instead of squandering the budget on the harmful waste that the “1st world countries” wanted to dump on us better construct new high ways,schools and public hospital as well increase the budget of the social services. the rh bill is diabolical since those persons who are in favour embraces the luciferian doctrines. conduct your research over at you tube, where there are many videos exposing the agenda of the satanic new world order. sad to say,there are world leaders involved in this. if we value our sovereignity of the nation, reject the rh bill before those with evil designs take over our national resources and lives. it promotes promiscuos behaviour too and the myth of safe sex which is so abdsurd!

    • Mr. X
      March 14, 2011 at 9:42 am | #139

      “our constitution mandated that every people has the right to fight for there freedom to live” – it is correct. but as far as i know, from what i have read, legalizing abortion or killing is not what this bill is trying to implement. don’t be too narrow minded, open up your mind. RH Bill only gives us an option which is applicable in our daily lives. remember, only an option. still it is our own will should be followed.

      • MARS
        April 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm | #140

        I agree with you…. some people are so narrow minded….. they always think negative…. Now ask those people why they are suffering poverty they answer ” kulang sa budget ang kinikita ko, wala sila makain at dahil sa gobyerno na corrupt” but ask them this Ilan yung anak mo? ” 6″ “8″ “10″… yun pala nagihirap ka eh… alam mo na kulang na ang budget mo pinarami mo pa ang anak mo….

      • zatho
        May 18, 2011 at 1:07 am | #141

        bro, the rh bill is not an option, it does not give you a choice. it has mandatory provisions. which removes the choice of people, who believe that that parents are primary responsible for the moral upbringing of their children. It makes it mandatory for all school children from grade 5 to fourth year high school to attend lessons which inherently includes how to use condoms, contraceptives, and thereby teaches them that it is right to use these devices. these teachings fall under the moral upbringing principle. the rh bill will prevent and preempt the parents from exercising their right to teach their children the values about self discipline, self control. The rh bill counter-acts these moral values. it will teach children to do use condoms, pills etc. if you can not control your sex urges.. rather than teach them how to control these urges.

        Also it has mandatory provisions that forces employers to provide their employers with these contraceptives. Where is the free choice there?

        The proposed rh bill also penalizes anyone who would provide information which is contrary to the provisions of the rh bill (in the bill they call it misinformation) if passed into law anything that you say that is contrary to what the government say may be construed as misinformation. where is the freedom of speech there?

        • May 18, 2011 at 10:37 pm | #142

          It gives couples the freedom to make an informed choice on the contraceptive method best suited for them.

      • John
        May 19, 2011 at 2:11 pm | #143

        IT IS CALLED LAW if it is passed because it is mandatory, there will never be a choice once you’ve been under a certain law. kaya nga tinawag na batas,kung mapapasa man, hopefully not, may choice ka ba pag batas ang nagsalita? think critically before you choose your side regarding this matter.

    • March 26, 2011 at 10:00 am | #144

      RH bill doesnt talk about legalizing abortion, its about wise decisions and controlling population. it focuses in using contraceptives and not aborting..
      pls. think about what you are commenting…

    • Artemis Fowl
      March 27, 2011 at 12:06 am | #145

      With all due respect, Section 3 paragraph (m) of the Bill pertinently provides: “…While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable..” The Bill does not legalize the act of abortion neither does it promote the act stating that abortion remains a crime that is punishable by law. It must be emphasized that this proposed legislation puts a premium on the health and welfare of women by providing them with necessary information and the means to decide for themselves the number of children that they would have.

      I request you therefore to carefully read the law first before making any hasty generalization. You must remember that you are not helping in the pursuit of an enlightened debate on the subject but rather causes confusion that misleads our fellow Filipinos.

      Thank you.

    • GISING
      March 27, 2011 at 4:35 pm | #146

      kung ako ang presidente ng pilipinas, matagal na tong naging batas.

      “Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and to God what is God’s”

      • John
        May 19, 2011 at 2:17 pm | #147

        buti na lang hindi ka presidente at sana hindi ka maging presidente kahit kailan. FYI, kahit presidente ka hindi pwdeng basta2x pag gusto mong mgpasa ng batas eh magiging batas agad yun, may kongreso at senado na dadaanan yan, ilang session at pagpasa at debate ang dadaanan n’yan bago maging batas, so relax ka lang ah, hindi magiging batas ang RH bill, mananatili na lang yan as a bill and never a law, God Bless us all.

    • rad
      April 22, 2011 at 3:28 pm | #148

      If you do not agree to the RH BIll and if you think that it is not an answer to population control, than what is? Please don’t tell me that there should be self-control because it is apparent in our society that there is no self-control and we cannot change what is human nature. This is the reason why RH Bill is passed because people could not control themselves. Let alone husbands who demand to practice their rights. I, myself, do not agree with the abortion part but that is why there are informed choices. The number of our population versus the income that each family is gaining is way out of balance. I am a catholic but I don’t see any action from the catholic church to alleviate poverty. Who provides livelihood programs? The government. The government is the one who finds ways to enhance our way of living. This is the same way. The government is only there to ensure that the citizens of the country can have a better future. If you have gone to the mountains where most people are illiterate, you will see most of them with, at least, a dozen children. Their reason? So that their children could work in the future and provide for them when they grow old and, mind you, these children could not be sent to school due to poverty. I also have seen several parents who physically abuse their children because they think it is discipline.These people are not ready for children, they had children because it is a part of marriage. Now, tell me, which is the greater evil? To control the population or to let the children be brought to the world without ensuring their future? Poverty is everywhere in our country, the government does everything in it’s power (minus the corruption) to alleviate this. What does the catholic church do about this? Well, they provide outreach programs. Yes, it helps but temporarily. Give a man fish and you feed him for a day but teach the man how to fish and you’ll feed him for a lifetime. This is what most people fail to see, the positive side of it. If the RH Bill should be passed it is to help the citizens of this country and if someone decides to have an abortion, it is not the governments fault but that will be the sin of the one who acted upon it. Temptation will always be there and it is not a sin. Temptation only becomes a sin when you give in to it. You really can’t expect your children to wear chastity belts, would you? Prudence and self-control can be taught by the parents and not by the government.

    • opinion ko lng
      April 25, 2011 at 12:29 pm | #149

      “Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of a fetus or embryo from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death.” so where is the “abortion” during intercourse using contraceptives? and if i’m right, you have the power to choose from natural or in modern way for family planning.it doesn’t mean that”we” who are pro RH bill don’t believe in god our creator. Pero mas kasalanan ata na mag anak ka ng mag anak tapos hindi mo na maibibigay ang pangangailangan ng bawat anak mo? sasabihin mo ngaun “e di wag mag anak ng madami” there is the point, family planning. ed under yun ng RH bill. Still it’s up to you kung pano mo gagawin ang family planning. isa pa, cguro ayos lang na pag aralan ang topic na ito sa school at dapat may guidance din ng magulang, oo ndi dapat gobyerno ang nagtuturo nito sa atin, pero lahat ba ng magulang e open pag usapan ang mga ganitong bagay? parang hindi naman. para rin ito sa ikabubuti ng ating bayan.

    • janice
      May 4, 2011 at 12:22 am | #150

      RH bill does not promote abortion, please read with understanding! RH bill is to protect every woman, children s health! i agree

      • milden ponce
        June 13, 2011 at 6:16 pm | #151

        yes! that is right

    • Sammie
      May 9, 2011 at 1:16 am | #152

      But it said: “Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications”. If unwanted pregnancy could be avoided, then the need for abortion could be minimized.

    • May 11, 2011 at 6:28 pm | #153

      “it gives every woman specially the teenager to have the rights and free access to abort the baby inside the womb of the mother” are insane? you didnt read the RH bill carefully.. abortion is not legal in Phil…so if this constitution have been said anything about it (you imply).. its contradict dude..;(

    • villa
      May 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm | #154

      section 3 of this bill states that abortion is still an illegal act.

    • Roel Maraya
      May 19, 2011 at 10:36 am | #155

      Kathrine, please be reminded that it’s a crime when you swiftly heave a brickbat on something without fully understanding it. Avoid giving comments based on your selfish vista. Read with comprehension and give out justifiable comments on this matter and all the issue you would like to throw comments to. God bless you!

    • Roel Maraya
      May 19, 2011 at 10:47 am | #156

      Kathrine, please be reminded that it’s a crime swiftly heaving a brickbat on an issue. The problem with most of us is that we throw comments not based on factual ideas but based on our selfish vista and understanding. Please in-store in your mind that giving off factual comments on a certain issue isn’t a teensy-weensy propaganda. Use your wits appropriately and read with comprehension so that when you give comments, it’s not absurd. God bless!

    • aquamermaid
      May 19, 2011 at 6:24 pm | #157

      The RH bill does not give anyone the right to abortion. Abortion will still be a crime punishable by law. RH bill will give free information on family planning and healthcare. What is so wrong with that? Should the information only be for the benefit of the rich and the poor be damned?
      Talk to your maids and factory workers. They have so many children and no way to support them. At least give them a choice in life. Let them have the opportunity to live a comfortable life. In the end, it is still their choice whether or not to follow. But to inform them is not wrong at all.
      I am Catholic and I love God, but this does not stop me from opening my eyes to the reality of life- which is poverty.

    • H
      May 25, 2011 at 8:05 pm | #158

      This is just stupid, all of you can oppose the RH bill but when women get raped you have a bigger chance getting charity from a street dog than the church, blaming the poor no not the poor just the overwhelming number of people around the phils rich or poor when you’ve got a tree that only gives 5 fruits a day and then you decide to make a another baby to feed from a family of five it turns to six is 5 fruits gonna be enough be an idiot and talk back to that. Moral faggots that what a lot of people are that’s why the philippines is still the way it is no one ever like to think in numbers EVER it’s always treasure this and treasure that(ooh so great the Filipino Value is) that’s why every sing sane person is desperate to get out of the country total hypocrites these people are they choose to keep the people ignorant to continue there own beliefs but when a beggar steps in front of there door every hides and asks the helpers to shoo them away you people should be ashamed of your selves. Lets keep the filipino way ooh yeah that’s a great idea don’t ever change it not even a single bit you don’t need statistics and fact to prove this one that’s why all show are filled to the Brim with God and Values and have been nothing but a cycle of drama,comedy,horror,drama,drama DRAMA but when you take look outside the street does anybody shelter the woman with 8 children ooh no let’s stay away from her she’d just stink up the whole house hypocrites all of you. All of you can keep on trying to fool yourselves by preventing this BIll and keeping the populace ignorant Heck Ban contraception from Condoms to Pills for all I care the philippines can just implode in itself no talk of Nationalism or Patriotism here not when the person next to you would try to steal your stuff if he/she could if given the chance, face Filipinos can sound all noble and justified in their speeches but one only needs to walk in the streets and ask anybody outside to find the truth out. Go ahead Philippines drop the RH bill be filled with clueless voters the more desperate and poor people exist the more politicians can pay to have them selves elected every time

      Did I mention that the news suck 25% is full of nothing but ridiculous and worthless controversies of actors(how is that news?) cause life for the avarage filipino is so boring and worthless they have to latch them selves to the lives of celebrities

    • July 20, 2011 at 10:08 am | #159

      have you read the full article? or did you understand it? you are just over reacting. That is the problem for every Filipinos, there are always questioning something they do not fully understand.

      Can you tell us, where or what part of the bill did you see that abortion will be legalize here in the Philippines? The bill only encourage every Filipino of using contraceptives as part of their family planning.

      As you can see, our country is totally in doom, there is a great poverty, crimes, etc. And one reason for this is LACK of EDUCATION. Why does other people cannot go to school? One reason is because they are too many in the family, and their parents cannot handle it anymore. And this scenario often happens to the families which we classify as poorest of the poor. This scenario keeps on happening to them, as if it is a cycle.

      Think about it, the government is just helping the nation to see the cure for our poverty.

    • AJ
      July 31, 2011 at 10:21 pm | #160

      This bill gives information to teenage women on prevention of conceiving babies not necessarily abort the baby. No abortion can occur when there is no baby conceived. This also makes people responsible.

    • jaja
      February 23, 2012 at 5:24 pm | #161

      “While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure that women seeking care for post-abortion complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and compassionate manner” – from section 3 of the RH Bill-

      meaning….this does not change the laws of abortion, And abortion is punishable by law.
      and does NOT give free access to abort the baby, the problem is not the RH Bill, the problem is the PEOPLE living in the mismanaged system of ours…. :D

    • mark
      March 4, 2012 at 10:00 am | #162

      can you read first before commenting? it says “(5) Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications”. That’s why debates like this don’t end. I think the bill is reasonable except for the exploitation of funds part.

    • Xandra Cortes
      August 15, 2012 at 2:06 pm | #163

      Please read the Bill again. It clearly states it does not change the law on abortion. “m. While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure that women seeking care for post-abortion complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and compassionate manner.”

    • Ehboi
      August 20, 2012 at 7:27 am | #164

      Have you really read the whole bill? Oh my god. Read the whole content before you say anything.

      m. While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure that women seeking care for post-abortion complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and compassionate manner.

    • BLINK
      August 21, 2012 at 8:48 am | #165

      Can you please read the whole article first and understand it before making stupid comments… Abortion is only legalized if the mother is also at risk of dying and this is legalized in all hospitals even before the RH bill was proposed.. They are aiming to decrease the maternal mortality rate because a dead fetus inside a womb is a threat to its host.. please read again and understand.. if you can’t fully understand, better keep the comment to yourself.

    • ginger
      October 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm | #166

      The RH Bill does not state that abortion is allowed. It is clearly stated on Section 3 (m) that abortion is still illegal and is punishable by law. Also the RH Bill does not said about the ELIMINATION of our population. I think it is wise to read the whole bill first.

  2. swan princess
    March 1, 2010 at 12:16 am | #167

    i wholeheartedly agree with this bill. it’s time to curb our population growth. population explosion is a real issue that we must address before it goes out of hand. population control may not be the be-all solution to our present woes, but it will take us a long way towards real development. more people means more mouths to feed, more food to produce, and more government money allocated for the welfare of these people. it thus compromises the quality of life of the filipinos.

    to those who say that it’s anti-life and pro-abortion, read the text of the bill again. and get dictionaries if you don’t understand some terms. :)

    • Anna
      May 5, 2010 at 4:31 pm | #168

      This bill is not a solution to the population growth problem of the Phil. Discipline is. Killing the unborn is just Inhumane. Premarital is just Immoral. Plus as if Filipino people don’t use contraceptives, they do and still, look around, the population problem is still present.

      • proud mama
        May 21, 2010 at 5:28 pm | #169

        hi anna, yes it may not be the solution to our population problem. having said that, this bill is a big first step in addressing our population growth.i think education is the key and this bill is pushing in that direction. killing the unborn for health reason – i.e. if the mother’s life is at risk- although a very hard decision on the parents part is not inhuman IMHO.

        • May 30, 2010 at 4:52 pm | #170

          True education is a real answer to any problem, but RH bill is not about education but miseducation. What it wants to impart are wrong information that would serve to satisfy eugenicists, and would profit the contraceptive and abortion industry. Planned Parenthood’s 3.5 billion taxpayers’ dollars just since 1987 is the most crystal proof of this. And where do they use it? For education, supposed to be; but they are using it to kill babies instead. Do American protesters win? No! The government is on the side of PPF and PPF backs up Obama in particular. Now, don’t give me that naive answer that we are not America. Almost the whole world is America. Look at yourself and tell me that you are not America.

          Now, the last statement is very prone to dilemma, I understand that. But let me disillusion everyone who believes as you do: THE UNBORN CHILD IS NOT LESS HUMAN THAN THE MOTHER. To actively kill the unborn for the sake of the mother is absolutely wrong. It is like saying that the child is less important. No one is less important.

          • October 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm | #171

            Whether or not the unborn child is less human than the mother is relative.

            Imagine: a pregnant woman is told that only one can live (either her or the baby). If I were her, I would definitely prioritize my life (because I am most definitely human) and not the life of the unborn child (because his or her humanity is still debatable).

            • nonsequitur
              October 4, 2010 at 10:52 am | #172

              The unborn child is human. And that statement is NOT RELATIVE. Even science acknowledges that fact– embryologists say that embryos are genetically fully human being at the point of conception. Even our law acknowledges that fact, under our Civil Code a conceived child are considered born for all purposes favorable to it.

              • October 6, 2010 at 11:51 pm | #173

                Our law acknowledges it, yes, and I disagree with this.

                It is not an established scientific fact. If it was, the whole abortion debate would be over. But it’s not.

                I do not believe it is a child because it cannot function as an individual. I believe that abortion is an option until the first trimester is over.

                Conception may mean the beginning of life, but I do not believe it means life itself.

                Again, so much religion is injected into all of this!

                • Wilberg
                  October 7, 2010 at 9:50 am | #174

                  “It is not an established scientific fact. If it was, the whole abortion debate would be over. But it’s not.”

                  That is so naive a statement. DNA is already discovered and explored by microbiology but Darwin debates are still not over (although in reality, Darwin’s theory is already debunked).

                  “I do not believe it is a child because it cannot function as an individual.”

                  So, dysfunctional people are not human? Zygotes and embryos are not parts of a woman’s body. They function on their own as their DNAs guide them. That’s a scientific fact.

                  “I believe that abortion is an option until the first trimester is over.”

                  Now it shows that you just don’t support contraception but also abortion. Let me inform you that abortion propagandists also started as pro-contraception and “anti-abortion”, then they gradually show their faces as advocates of first-tri abortion, then second-tri. Lastly, they said, “try again”, and pushed women to the limits of their confused consciences, then infanticide was introduced as a “good” thing.

                  “Conception may mean the beginning of life, but I do not believe it means life itself.”

                  This one is illogical. If you started a journey, will you say that you are not yet in the journey itself? When will you be – when you’re already at the middle?

                  This is not about religion, it just happened that you hate religion in your heart, and you believe that science (body of knowledge) and God (source of knowledge) are not compatible. Again, that is illogical.

                  • down2one
                    October 7, 2010 at 12:07 pm | #175

                    one question:
                    darwin’s theory was debunked? really? says who?

                    don’t bother answering, it’s so off-topic anyways

                    • Wilberg
                      October 7, 2010 at 1:48 pm | #176

                      I don’t want to leave you wondering, though.

                      Darwin believes that life is an undirected process. He called this process “natural selection”. A Darwinian named Ernst Haeckel even declared that the cell is just a “simple little lump of albuminous combination of carbon.”

                      The discovery of DNA, on the other hand, proves otherwise. Man’s life has an intelligent design.

                      Despite the scientific and established discoveries, natural selection is still under debates.

                      Okay, now, back to RH bill.

                • October 7, 2010 at 9:49 pm | #177

                  you are so inconsistent to what you are saying here… think first before you write…

                • Skyjet
                  November 26, 2010 at 10:29 pm | #178

                  So you mean an embryo has no life itself and it is not a child? And the beginning of life itself is not a life?! Well if you just know life begins at the stage of conception! A mother is pregnant if the sperm entered the egg cell. What about religion, they teaches us correctly though not fully! What is wrong with you is you stick to your own choice which is a very wrong one! my friend you need guidance of the Holy Spirit!

            • October 4, 2010 at 5:40 pm | #179

              Debatable? By whom? Don’t you read the Constitution (even America’s)? What if some scientists debate over whether you are human or not, will you not protest for your life?

              Let me remind (or rather educate) you that slaves were once treated as sub-humans. Does it mean that they are really sub-humans?

              Do you know the word “conceive”? It is the beginning of something. Human conception is the beginning of human life. Is that debatable? How come?

            • January 21, 2011 at 2:18 pm | #180

              I for one, would give up my life for my precious baby, even though as you said “his or her humanity is still debatable”?
              and that’s my opinion for your statement!

            • John
              May 19, 2011 at 2:28 pm | #181

              sana hindi ka maging nanay. it just show how self-centered you are. you are willing to sacrifice the life of your own child just for your own, how selfish. ikaw naranasan mo ng mabuhay, bakit pipiliin mo yung buhay mo, pagdadamot mo sa anak mo na maexperience ang mundo and the beauty of life? I just really hope hindi ka maging nanay, kawawa magiging anak mo. God Bless you.

          • nonsequitur
            October 4, 2010 at 10:44 am | #182

            We had sex education in high school. And yet a lot of women in our class got pregnant during their teenage years and three women in our class alone underwent abortion. Sex education and information does not really work. In the USA, they have free access to information and contraceptives and YET THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF TEEN PREGNANCY IN THE WORLD. Our idiotic government did not do their research well before passing this bill. Sex education and access to the contraceptives are definitely NOT the SOLUTION.
            Edcel Lagman just made this bill because he will receive a lot of kickback and money from the pharmaceutical companies who manufacture contraceptives. Those companies are the ones backing this up, not the Filipino people.

        • butterfly19
          June 13, 2010 at 9:55 am | #183

          killing the unborn child for health reason…. hmmmm…,,, i think most of the mom’s would choose to kill theirselves than to kill their kids….

          • NAC
            February 17, 2011 at 10:48 am | #184

            butterfly19, have you known a mother who chose to die, and now dead, just to let her unborn child to live?

            Does she have children before that child? if yes, where would these older children go for care? obviously, a care the mother can give can not be given by an infant.

        • skyjet
          November 21, 2010 at 9:45 pm | #185

          Tell me proud mama, what values can the children get about sex education? And if the Mother’s life is at risk, then have faith in God. It is up to the mother if she choses to let her baby die or let the baby live and she die. FAITH IN GOD IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WHEN LIFE COMES IN A DILEMMA!

          • August 25, 2012 at 2:28 am | #186

            GOD is in your imagination, because you’ve distinguished this concept and chose to agree with it. I honestly can say that I’m totally happy with who I am, what I achieve, etc. And I have done many ‘sins’ that religious people invented. I hope you’ll understand that religion is the prevention of peace, along with nationalism. Fighting needlessly just because an imaginary character told you, pfffffff haha

            In addition to distinguishing concepts, we distinguish ‘rules’ which are statements we make. There is no ‘truth’ out in the world, until we distinguish it and say it’s true. For example, jews arent inherently inferior, yet many people think they are, because they decided so. God was created this way. Someone decided that there is a god in the sky, and it seemed very ‘true’ to him/her. And then the belief got passed to tens of millions that have chosen to agree with it early in life

            People create their reality by making distinctions. This might be tough to understand at first, but keep reading. For example, when you see a cat, you know it’s a cat because you’ve distinguished it from everything else. So if people don’t learn the concept of god, don’t talk about it and ultimately distinguish it from any other concept, god will be out of their reality, and they’d live their entire lives not knowing about god. God doesn’t come to our awareness, we create god

      • Jose
        September 30, 2010 at 11:10 pm | #187

        Premarital is not immoral. It is immoral because that is what the Church wants you to say.

        • click
          October 3, 2010 at 2:27 am | #188

          Well probably beacause youre not a Catholic and thats your best answer.??

        • joe
          October 4, 2010 at 10:37 am | #189

          pre marital is immoral not because the church says it so, it is immoral because sex is for married couples only.
          it is to be practice in the context of marriage .

        • Joall
          October 4, 2010 at 10:12 pm | #190

          Jose, sana pagnagkaanak ka maging babae man o lalaki mahuli mong nakikipagtalik sa murang edad. Ano kaya ang mararamdaman mo kung sa edad na 15 hindi na virgin ang anak mong babae or anank mong lalaki na 15 anyos nakabuntis na? Huwag nawa mangyari sa iyo yun.

          • John
            May 19, 2011 at 2:54 pm | #191

            si Jose kasi sarili lang ang pinrotektahan pano gawain nya yun. matakot ka naman sa Diyos, kung meron man. God Bless you.

        • en05
          February 21, 2011 at 12:25 pm | #192

          May God forgive you.

      • October 1, 2010 at 9:01 pm | #193

        Those who reproduce at an incredible rate are those who cannot afford proper contraception and do not have access to reliable information.

        • click
          October 3, 2010 at 3:21 am | #194

          Oh MY GOD, how much is condom my dear, 25-30 pesos 3 pcs. kung ayaw gumamit ng BF mo nyan at nasasakripisyo ang kasarapan nya, wag mong gawing sagot ang pagsasaligal ng pills. Im just 24 and planning to have a family, with the way things go di ko muna itutuloy ang pagpapamilya, dahil natatakot ako sa mga pinaggagawa ng gobyernong to, Im not against this Gov’t, maganda nga ito at open sila for sentiments, sana lang ay mpakinggan.. d ako yung tipo ng lalaki na papayag masaligal yung pills at ipapainom ko sa girlfriend ko at pag di pa nakontento papatol ako sa mga babae na nagtatake din ng pills dahil di sila mabubuntis.. Bakit hindi nyo ibuhos yung pondo sa Bill na ito sa Edukasyon, na malinaw na kailangan ng mga iresponsableng magulanga na anak ng anak. anjan naman ang condoms, contraceptives pero di sila madisiplina gumamit, well d rin kasi makapagimpose ng mabigat na parusa sa mga iresponsableng magulang.

          Im not a Law Maker pero surely we can think of laws that can make marriage, and parenting stronger. halimbawa magaasawa ka, bago kayo maaprubahan kailangan nyong pumunta sa City Hall for background check, counseling, at kung ilan ang PWEDE MONG MAGING ANAK depende sa income nyo AT hindi maaaprubahan ang kasal nyo kung wala ang pagpapatunay na dumaan kayo d2. Pano kung leave in lang, then mag set sila ng ultimatum na within 3 months (palagay natin) kailangan mong makasal (at upang makasal sasailalim din sila din sa BACKGROUND CHECK :D) na kapag di nila ginawa ay may karampatang parusa. ano ung parusa? yan ang dapat pagisipan ng mga Law Makers, pinaupo natin sila jan dahil yan ang trabaho nila.

          Question : e pano kung hanggang 1 anak lang ang pwede sayo at nabuntis mo pa si misis, naging 2.

          Answer : E di may parusa parin.:D . kung sumasahod ka ng maliit at bakit mo bibirahan ng maraming anak? gumawa ka lang ng sakit sa ulo tapos pag nagkakaprobelma ka tatakbo ka sa gobyerno.

          Kung maging pagpapatali ang parusa sa mga lalampas ang anak, (palagay natin ganon, pero kung may mas magandang parusa na d sumasalungat sa turo ng simbahan mas ok) sana naman Hindi na pondohan ng gobyerno ang pagpapatali ng mga wlang kwentang lalaking ito na naging magulang. dahil kung 2 anak lng gusto nyan at isang anak lang ang sinabi ng gobyerno gawin, e pinaboran mo pa at ikaw ang gumastos sa pagpapaopera nya.

          nakakatawa dahil parang may batas talgang ganito at dinedetalye ko pa kung ano ang mga parusa.. na hindi ba dapat ay talagang dapat pag daanan ng mga mambabatas para makalikha ng mga batas na makatao.

          Di ba’t sabi sa “Preamble” that we are God fearing Citizens. Dapat siguro bauhin narin ung preamble, dahil nakakahiya naman sa mga gumawa ng Constitution.

          • aso
            October 4, 2010 at 11:49 pm | #195

            bakit gago ka ba?

          • October 6, 2010 at 11:41 pm | #196

            Your proposed method takes up more time and money.

            Also, 30 pesos to a family that scrambles to put food on a table is incredibly precious.

            Lastly, I’m a lesbian and this bill obviously shouldn’t affect me.

            I determine my morality based on the following:
            a. it doesn’t hurt other people
            b. it is legal

            Passing this bill satisfies both. If you want your morals intact, go ahead and use natural family planning. Don’t force me or anyone else to do the same. My choice is MY CHOICE.

            • Wilberg
              October 7, 2010 at 3:01 pm | #197

              “Lastly, I’m a lesbian and this bill obviously shouldn’t affect me.”

              Not when rape becomes legalized; not when men – who has freedom to choose – choose to disrespect you as a result of the doctrines that this bill is attempting to brainwash everybody with; not when the State already adopted your basis of morality.

              “I determine my morality based on the following:
              a. it doesn’t hurt other people
              b. it is legal”

              a. Who will determine whether you are hurt or not? You? Why would everybody believe you? If you are hurt, how come they feel the opposite while they are doing to you the things they want?

              b. Legality came after morality. Murder is immoral even if it became legal. You may say that it hurts others. Then again, who will determine who is hurt? Once more, consider the case of slaves.

              “Passing this bill satisfies both.”

              Wrong. It hurts many people and it is unconstitutional. Don’t you hear people saying, “Ouch” or you are deaf? Do you think there will be forums like this if nobody’s hurt?

              • koko
                March 3, 2011 at 1:14 pm | #198

                NO!! who ever you are, what ever you are, as long as you are a Filipino you are affected by this bill whether you like it or not.

          • applemae_bewitched@yahoo.com
            May 11, 2011 at 3:58 pm | #199

            I do support your beliefs…You’re the man dude!!!

      • inAAA
        October 4, 2010 at 5:05 am | #200

        LOOK AROUND, do people have enough discipline? We cannot control people anymore. We need to be practical. If the church doesn’t want contraception, so let them explain harder to the church-goers. But technically, we all have the freedom of choice. RH BILL IS A BIG STEP TO DEVELOPMENT.

        • October 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm | #201

          Define practicality.

          We cannot control people anymore? So what do you suggest, that if we cannot beat them, we join them?

          Why will the Church shut its Teacher-mouth regarding a proposal that violates its members’ conscience, then explain “harder” why it is opposed to it afterward? Is that the way you apply your idea of practicality?

          Freedom of choice is not a technical thing, it is inherent and innate. We all have that, so everybody should use it. But to use OUR tax money against our will, that a grave violation of that freedom.

        • koko
          March 3, 2011 at 1:20 pm | #202

          sorry,,for the comment.but without people you cannot developed a country ,it is more likely a cemetery…development of what???are you a immortal???

      • keNnot
        January 18, 2012 at 9:46 am | #203

        all your comment is all about the Contraceptives and the Abortion, you need to read all the sections of this bill so that you/we can understand better, there are Section talk about the Promotion of Health care, the mobile care service and Protection for women or a couple. this bill is formulated because of the rapid growth of our population and lastly to protect us in the widespread of STD’S..

    • May 30, 2010 at 3:41 pm | #204

      Malthusian theory was already proven wrong a long time ago. It just happened that contraceptive propagandists relish the sound of their names. Condoms, pills, IUDs, cervical caps, and dead babies are their daily bread. What we must address before it go out of hand are the government’s Mafia and those individual robbers who snatch from us more than half of our wealth. The most valid question here that everybody should ask is, “I pay may taxes, why do I see people dying from hunger?”

      More people means more mouths to feed, more food to produce, and MORE MANPOWER TO WORK — to produce food, to build, to sustain the land. Less new generations mean more old ones. Do you know what it implies? More senile, more unemployed, more mouths to feed, and MORE GOVERNMENT MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THE WELFARE OF THESE PEOPLE.

      To those who say that RH bill is not anti-life, get medical dictionaries if you don’t understand some terms.

      And this has always been my question: If you understand that human life begins at the moment of conception, and that conception is just a layman’s term of fertilization, and that some contraceptives prevents this zygote (human being) from implanting itself to the uterine wall to sustain his life and to grow, then why could you not understand that this bill is anti-life? Besides, contraception in practice obviously means “fighting against life”, although they say that it just prevents conception. This is for everybody: If you are aware that contraceptives actually kill human beings, and you think that it is time to curb our population growth, the extreme but sad question is, “Why not kill your parents and grandparents who are not more or less than human than an unborn child? And why not kill yourself too?” Does it not give you a VERY negative feeling to hear this? I actually feel nauseous about the idea. It gives me goosebumps every time I ask that question. Why, then, these people who clearly understand that some contraceptives are actually abortifacient, and those people who promotes abortion as alternative if contraception failed, do not get these negative feelings? Simple — because what’s important to them is that they are alive, and it does not really matter who will die.

      • October 1, 2010 at 8:58 pm | #205

        Your arguments (including previous ones) assume that

        a. only men enjoy sex
        b. everyone agrees that human life begins at conception (and thus, a baby is human)
        c. there is a standard for morality
        d. the risks of having unprotected sex are less than the risks of using ‘risky’ contraceptives

        I’m young, yes, but I understand the terms in this bill, I understand abortion procedures, and I understand the human condition. I certainly disagree with parts of this bill, but I believe that over-all, it’s probably one of the best things that could happen to this country.

        Your views are certainly conservative and reflective of your religious upbringing, and you seem to prioritize relative morality over the needs of the state.

        • click
          October 2, 2010 at 3:48 am | #206

          yung mga taong wlang moral values lang sasangayon d2,isipin nyo nalang maidudulot nyan. disiplina sa sarili,moralidad, d mo matututunan sa gobyerno yan, kahit ilang bill pa ipasa nyan. upos nga ng sigarilyo namumultahan pa. ano kaya itsura ng bansang walang moral values. maganda ung hangarin pero mali ung pamamaraan. maaabuso yan ng mga taong d karapatdapat.

          • she
            October 2, 2010 at 7:13 pm | #207

            I really agree with what this guy has just said. IT IS NOT MORAL. Imagine your daughter legally having sex with her boyfriend and she’s like really young. I could just see the country slowly becoming a very dirty and sinful.. this bill may have it’s pluses but there definitely is A LOT MORE NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS.. just think of morality.. think of little children and their young minds.. they aren’t ready for this kind of thing..

            • anti-illogicals
              October 3, 2010 at 11:07 pm | #208

              I agree that is not moral in some perspectives, though I also agree that there is no absolute moral guidelines in this case. I also would like to point out that anyone who has a daughter or son who is above eighteen years of age, consensually, is having legal sex when they do it. I haven’t read the law regarding minors having sex with other minors, but I guess if no one forced the other one, it is still legal.

              • October 5, 2010 at 4:46 pm | #209

                Let me inform you that the rightness and the wrongness of an action is not being determined in terms of legality. Imagine a legalize murder — would it be good just because it is legal?

              • hello
                October 6, 2010 at 12:31 pm | #210

                Then that ultimately violates the purpose of sex.. which is for married people. if we teach children to also have a choice then can’t you just imagine how much they would do it? it makes sex for pleasure and the person you’re doing it with an object for pleasure.. and think about it, if you’re married.. would you feel loved if your husband or wife decided you guys should use contraceptives like your some random person he’s doing it with? if you don’t want children then be careful when having sex.. it’s all about natural family planning.. that’s what we have to teach filipinos.. children on the other hand are too young to understand the consequences and by giving them a choice as well is only gonna fuel their urge in doing it.. if you think a lot of them do it now, think about when contraceptives would be freely given out and taught how to use.. would you want your young daughter doing that?

              • John
                May 19, 2011 at 3:26 pm | #211

                alam mo yung “kasal” what’s the used of it’s sacredness kung pwede pa lang mag-sex lang nang mag-sex bsta above 18 at prho nyong gs2, tgnan q lang kung ano mrmdman mo kung mangyri un sa mgiging anak mo. sana naman hindi. God Bless you.

          • inAAA
            October 4, 2010 at 5:08 am | #212

            Those who disagree to this bill base their reasons to religious upbringing. People, try to be a realist sometimes please? People can become delusional when religious-driven.

            • October 4, 2010 at 8:41 pm | #213

              What is real then?

            • tomato
              October 22, 2010 at 11:22 am | #215

              its just not about the religous it is about our country who live

            • August 25, 2012 at 2:47 am | #216

              correct! remember that sins are invented religious people.

          • October 4, 2010 at 6:00 pm | #217

            Ang totoo, hindi maganda ang hangarin kaya mali ang pamamaraan. $$$

            • John
              May 19, 2011 at 3:34 pm | #218

              pera pera lang yan, Edzel Lagman and company, hindi q alam kung tama spelling, mukha kayong pera, nawa’y maawa ang Diyos sa inyo at tanggapin pa rin kayo sa langit pagpanaw niyo. ayokong magbitiw ng gnitong mga salita kaso napipiliyan ako, may God forgive me. God Bless you all.

          • October 6, 2010 at 11:36 pm | #219

            Moral values are relative, something I keep saying.

            Oh, and obviously our country’s ‘moral values’ are seriously whacked, our population increases exponentially every year.

            If you cannot control yourself, the government’s gotta give you options.

            • down2one
              October 11, 2010 at 4:22 pm | #220

              exactly.

              the church has been preaching abstinence and self-disciple and whatever for decades now.

              still, the statistics of premarital pregnancies and induced abortions are rising each year.

              it clearly implies that the church’s methods are not working.

              “If you cannot control yourself, the government’s gotta give you options.”

              couldn’t have said it better myself

              • October 11, 2010 at 5:26 pm | #221

                down2one :
                exactly.
                still, the statistics of premarital pregnancies and induced abortions are rising each year.
                it clearly implies that the church’s methods are not working.

                It clearly shows that only few heed the Church’s teachings, and thus the consequences. Are Americans sexually responsible? Is it not a fact that despite the general acceptance of contraception in that country, abortion is just an everyday thing? It even legalized abortion after legalizing contraception.

                down2one :
                “If you cannot control yourself, the government’s gotta give you options.”

                If you cannot control your kids from fighting, will you give them the option to use boxing gloves and fight each other to death? Will you also suggest that prostitution be legalized if rapists cannot control themselves like what they propose in South Africa? So, self-control is just an option now?

                Haven’t you heard yet the saying, “Your freedom ends where my nose begins”?

                • down2one
                  October 12, 2010 at 9:13 am | #222

                  it clearly shows that however you listen to what the church says, you cannot control basic human impulses.

                  eating, drinking, sleeping are all examples of natural impulses (instincts, if you will). even sex.

                  ever wonder why some priests become biological fathers?

                  i also think you’re not getting the point of the bill. it is about responsible parenthood and reproductive health education. it is NOT about legalizing abortion at all. i think you said it yourself, this bill does not have the power to legalize abortion.

                  rh bill leads to abortion? how? that’s like saying that same sex marriage leads to bestiality. it does not connect at all.

                  south africa legalizing prostitution to avoid rape… wow, i read about it and it’s crazy stupid. i’m glad they didn’t pass it at all.

                  “your freedom ends when my nose begins”
                  love that, it’s just that some people stick their noses too much into other people’s business, there’s no room left for other people to exercise their freedom, know what i’m saying?

                • reading is fun
                  December 26, 2010 at 12:27 pm | #223

                  “If you cannot control your kids from fighting, will you give them the option to use boxing gloves and fight each other to death?”

                  i find this, quite frankly, stupid and hilarious. do you always intend to kill when you have a fight with a sibling? you are one scary person.

                  that statement only shows that you are thinking in black and white…which is quite a disadvantage when engaging in debates, especially one like this. :)

                  • Philonanymous
                    December 27, 2010 at 7:25 am | #224

                    If you cannot control your kids from fighting you teach them how to argue with sense till them come to a conclusion or a compromise or “fight with sense”. Not boxing gloves. Theres nothing wrong with his/her statement.

                    And its not stupid, try looking at it from a different view.

                    • January 2, 2011 at 12:41 am | #225

                      Philonanymous :
                      If you cannot control your kids from fighting you teach them how to argue with sense till them come to a conclusion or a compromise or “fight with sense”.

                      Just as true with self control. If one cannot control his impulses, it is not because of the impossibility of controlling it but because of lack of training. One should teach his senses. We cannot just eat anyone’s food when we’re hungry or just sleep literally anywhere when we’re too sleepy.

                  • January 2, 2011 at 12:32 am | #226

                    You obviously missed the point. This is about control. The statement in question was, “you cannot control basic human impulses,” so the solution offered was to avoid not the act but the consequence. You have focused on the “killing” instead of on the gloves. It shows that you are not used to analogies which are very important in debates like this.

                    • Philonanymous
                      January 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm | #227

                      “Just as true with self control. If one cannot control his impulses, it is not because of the impossibility of controlling it but because of lack of training. One should teach his senses. We cannot just eat anyone’s food when we’re hungry or just sleep literally anywhere when we’re too sleepy.”

                      true true.

                      ” You have focused on the “killing” instead of on the gloves. It shows that you are not used to analogies which are very important in debates like this.”

                      Who are you talking to? If me, i was merely defending “reading is fun’s” answer, stating that his answer is not stupid. I am not joining their argument.

            • Bituin
              November 25, 2010 at 10:21 pm | #228

              “Moral values are relative” — Uhm… morality is universal, dear. What is good will always remain good. What is bad can never ever be good.

              • Tessa
                May 5, 2011 at 1:48 pm | #229

                Excuse me, Bituin. But if you don’t want to be called narrow-minded, you should at least consider that MORALITY IS NOT UNIVERSAL. Every nations, every peoples, have different cultures and different values. How can you IMPOSE on others what is right when they have their own stands on what they know is right? You must think that morality is not the same across different cultures. Alam mo ba kung bakit may mga taong PRO-RH bill at ANTI-RH bill?? Kasi for them, morality is RELATIVE. Think again.

            • May 14, 2011 at 1:33 am | #230

              I disagree about moral values being relative. Even when you say that it’s relative you’re declaring an absolute.

              If it’s okay to eat people in this country, and it’s not okay in China, then Houston we have a problem. A line should be drawn somewhere.

          • Winston
            August 21, 2012 at 12:02 am | #231

            WALANG DISIPLINA TAYONG MGA PILIPINO. KAHIT ANO PA ANG SABIHIN NINYO ANG DAPAT SISIHIN AY ANG SARILI NATIN.

        • October 4, 2010 at 5:58 pm | #232

          The two simplest questions that I want you to think about.

          When can you say, and who will say, that an action is right or wrong?

          When is wrong right, and when is right wrong?

          If you are able to answer that with sound argument, I will reconsider my position.

          • jlocute
            October 5, 2010 at 9:42 am | #233

            God knows what’s right or wrong. What seems to be right to a person may seem to be a sin to God in his infinite goodness. That’s why we need to listen to our conscience and we need to pray always for divine wisdom and discernment of knowing good and evil especially of these days. There is really an increase in Godlessness these days and will continue at its worst in the upcoming years unless people changes for better.

            Prayer, prayer, prayer! this is what we need to do always in which many people of this world had forgotten.

            If we are not certain about an answer to a problem, we are not doing it right. Confusion is from the enemy. He tends to mixed good and bad things. We need to spend silence in our prayers.

            I believe the Church prays because it is from God. She (Church which is bride of Christ) knows the good and bad.

            • down2one
              October 11, 2010 at 5:14 pm | #234

              hi nice speech :) i have a question about the prayer part.

              how exactly will prayer solve the problem of overpopulation?

              • jlocute
                October 13, 2010 at 10:00 am | #235

                You can ask God about it through prayer? Have you prayed about it sincerely and wholeheartedly? Prayer can solve problems right? 1 John 5:14-15 says, “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us – whatever we ask – we know that we have what we asked of Him.”

                Be attentive, God may not give you answer directly. He may use other people. And you must be very attentive also, as His enemy Satan will intervene for distortion and confusion. Like in this case, overpopulation. What is God’s answer: abstain and self discipline. What is Satan’s answer: use contraceptives, throw away that self discipline and abstinence as you can do sex anytime.

                • down2one
                  October 14, 2010 at 9:03 am | #236

                  how do you even know that god’s plan is to abstain and not have sex?
                  sex is the way to procreation, as i understand it.

                  how do you know that the devil’s plan is contraception?

                  how do you even claim to know what god’s plan is? or the devil’s for that matter?

                  also, next time you ask god for something, can you ask him to heal amputees or end world hunger? let’s see if that works :)

                  • jlocute
                    October 14, 2010 at 9:21 am | #237

                    If you ask God you will know. Did you ask Him??? Does who seek will find.

                    Truly, there are eyes that can’t see and have ears but can’t hear.

                    2 Tim 3:1-4

                    “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God”

                    2 Tim 3:12-13

                    In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

                    “also, next time you ask god for something, can you ask him to heal amputees or end world hunger? let’s see if that works”

                    It is written, Luke 4:12: Jesus answered the devil, “Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”

                    • down2one
                      October 14, 2010 at 6:06 pm | #238

                      thanks, i always love people quoting stuff from books.
                      i have a quote too:
                      deuteronomy 14:8-9
                      “And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch.”
                      so i guess everyone who has eaten pork is definitely going to hell yeah? i guess we’re all doomed unless we’re muslims (because they don’t eat pork) or we’re vegetarians.

                      anyway… let’s ignore books for now because it isn’t really relevant to my question.

                      “If you ask God you will know. Did you ask Him??? Does who seek will find. ”

                      now there’s something close to an answer.
                      let’s say that this is somehow proven to be true,
                      how do we even come to recognize the ‘answers’ that god gives us?

              • jlocute
                October 15, 2010 at 9:27 am | #239

                God is the answer to every problem isn’t it? Or you don’t believe in that statement? If you do not believe, then there’s a big problem. If you do believe, then you can say that prayer is the answer because prayer is a communication with God.

                Please ask the Holy Spirit for the gift of wisdom and discernment so that you will discover the snares and temptation of Satan in everything. The Spirit will speak to you in your heart. It is only then that you will know what is from God and what is from evil. You can also speak with your guardian angel; He would be glad to help you because he only wants your salvation.

                The evilness of this bill was well presented here by so the many that are against on it and yet you still didn’t open your eyes and ears. I repeat prayer is important, and I’ll ask this of you again: Did you pray to God for enlightenment of this issue?? Please answer and don’t deceive yourself. Did you pray to God for enlightenment of this issue?? Don’t rely on ourselves on every action. Use heaven for assistance; like am I doing this right or am I doing this wrong.

                I already said that we are in the end times, in the Dark Age; and almost everything that are presented in this world are from Satan. (Please read my comment here on 666 mark)

                Despite of all this you can still continue with what you believe that, “Contraceptive is not a sin”. You can argue with many and even convinced them. But I tell you when you die; you will know all the truth. You will not have an excuse that nobody tells you that it is not a sin. We have done our part of giving illumination of this issue.

                I tell you again, “Contraception is a sin”, and is consider mortal sin if done with “full knowledge and deliberate consent”. Mortal sin is the sin that condemns people to hell. It is also mentioned by the Blessed Mother Mary that, “Too Many Souls Are Going To Hell”. And she also mentioned that, “Sin of the Flesh is the Very Reason Why Many Souls Go To Hell”.

                The graces are around us. It is a gift of friendship and unity to God. You can ask more if you wish and God will truly give it to you especially if you really seek goodness in everything. In the end we will be judged according to acceptance of refusal of this grace through the Holy Spirit.

                My friend, we are part of Heavenly Family. I tell this to you with compassion, humility and gentleness. God bless!

                • Philonanymous
                  January 4, 2011 at 10:18 pm | #240

                  I find most arguments that jlocute is engaged to far from the bill hahaha but it is interesting nonetheless, maybe thats why. :P

                  Tell me what you think of this situation jlocute. There was a man who decided to do an experiment. He raised his children telling them that the stars in heaven were divine beings watching over us and this dictated the actions of his children. Because of this the children grew “fit” and “good” in the society. Now the children believed such things so great that they influenced others to believe in the same thing. Now many people are trying to do good and everything is getting better. Seeing as how this changed everything for the best the father decided to keep this a secret and to his grave, he brought the secret with him. Now that the belief of that stars were widespread. And what was once told was now the truth and what was once known is not.

                  • jlocute
                    January 5, 2011 at 1:44 am | #241

                    One thing is for sure to happen with your statement: that man who made those things to happen will be held accountable to GOD because he didn’t tell of what the truth is…

                    • Philonanymous
                      January 5, 2011 at 10:16 pm | #242

                      Ah but the thing is. The people described in that statement would be insulted by you and say that your straying away from the path of truth because you say that there is a God when to them only the divine things are stars.

                      Do you see where I am going?

              • koko
                March 3, 2011 at 1:30 pm | #243

                we are not over populated!!!!!!!!
                as it is…
                search or look outside your house is it overpopulated??
                ill give you the basis look what happened to our population (Philippines)from 1950 up to now it is decreasing……

          • imariachi
            May 15, 2011 at 9:24 pm | #244

            ur so very good po… REJECT RH BILL!!! :)

    • skyjet
      November 21, 2010 at 5:33 pm | #245

      i dont think that over population is the root problem. I dont agree with it. It’s the corruption, its more about money, that’s the thing most politicians really want. The real thing about hunger is that no ones gonna work for food. Development does not always mean a good advantage. More money not allocated for the welfare of the people, its for the building of mansions. How come it is a responsible parenthood if you as a parent killing an unborn, an underdeveloped being, does the thing you do is making a life? or just making a fun?

    • December 21, 2010 at 8:03 pm | #246

      the problem lies on your stance that it is the duty of the government to take care each of us. go back to your senses and pull back self worth and self respect because you must work to feed your ownself and family, not the government feeding all of us.

      population explosion? like c4 bombs? Urban population density is high as opposed to entire country population density. so dont be so scared. it is just too many people are moving into the city. provinces have lesser count of people in them.

  3. szadeck
    March 7, 2010 at 9:09 pm | #247

    the bill still says that abortion is illegal and punishable. And furthermore it is more on the empowerment of women. The bill is reasonable.

    • click
      October 2, 2010 at 2:17 pm | #248

      This bill poisons the women to many side effects of the pills in many aspects but more importantly, morally (degrading them by letting them sacrifice their health by taking that drug knowing the risk it myt cause just because their male partner doesnt want to use a condom because you know, its thick, it doesnt feel natural, cant feel that pleasure…for that shallow reason, so what are you now, a self empowered woman?? haha right :)). We already have access to many contraceptives without the need of this bill. We dont have to give access to everyone coz it myt b abused. We can just pin point those irresponsible parents who really need it,like parents that has many kids in some rural areas , squat areas, and of course with guidance, counseling and stronger punishment from our Gov’t. Being a parent is not like when you play PlayStation “ooopps I failed, push reset button, let’s play it again” thats why it needs a lot of your time, check the girlfriend/boyfriend’s family background, then a lot of counseling before you go to marriage and honeymoon.INUUNA NYO KASI HONEYMOON, and guys isnt it FAMILY PLANNING should be like COUNSELING THING not taking drugs.

      one of the reason of Overgrowing Population is in TEEN PREGNANCY, so does that mean that they will allow teens to take pills and to go PRO PREMARITAL SEX??? Condoms are already there, I mean teen boys can buy it from convenient stores, its just that its still a taboo, were still guided by our conscience. but still theres a lot of teens getting pregnant, meaning boys dont want to use it. So its fine to take away morality by letting your child go liberated and let her/him have sex to whoever she/he likes as long as they use “Family Planning Pills” (haha ryt) Are there any parents here???

      so is this really their answer to the overgrowing population problem???

      • inAAA
        October 4, 2010 at 5:10 am | #249

        Why do you all think that this bill is mere CONTRACEPTION? It educates people too, guys.

        • October 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm | #250

          Educates about?

          • SaintPhilippic
            April 20, 2011 at 11:49 am | #251

            wew.. nothing ,… just posting for the sake of posting ..^^

  4. March 12, 2010 at 10:46 am | #252

    i think this will not help the problems of the country especially those spreading premarital sex resulting to single parenthood…i have not at present two friends(girl)who is a single mom…..Who do not know how to resolve their problem…w8 4 my next comment on this…

  5. richarddr1234
    March 16, 2010 at 12:01 am | #253

    Bah! Its old people, invalids and gays that are causing this population problem, not the unborn. Just legalize slave labor and work the old buggers and homos to death, that should solve it, we spend so much just keeping them alive.

    • concerned LGBTQI citizen
      April 16, 2010 at 2:13 pm | #254

      As far as I’m aware, two women or two men are unable to have children of their own. Most old people when of a certain age are unable to as well. How can they be causing this population problem? Clearly, it is ignorant people, such as yourself, who are laying waste to this country.

      • down2one
        October 14, 2010 at 6:11 pm | #255

        i thin kthe guy’s being sarcastic… i think… :P

  6. jnews
    March 16, 2010 at 1:16 pm | #256

    An inspiring vision of human life, the beauty of marriage and the joy of parenthood are what are positively offered by the Church, although the Church’s doctrine is too often perceived as a series of prohibitions and retrograde positions. The marriage act, likewise, by which husband and wife are united in chaste intimacy, and by means of which human life is transmitted, is noble and worthy. Ergo, the Church, by all means, defends the dignity of human life.
    On the other hand, the government, by virtue of the RH Bill 5043, objectifies an end directing to uphold and promote respect for human life. The end of this bill is undoubtedly for the common good of the suffering Filipinos. It deliberately aims to lessen if not totally erase the reigning rage of poverty throughout the Philippine territory. By this, it follows that the bill, in itself, is intrinsically good for it directs to good. However, digging deeper to every single act of this bill, there are unfortunately erroneous means of foregoing as such that might strongly defy the human nature in its entirety and thus cause an ambiguous reasoning. The end of the bill is generally to uphold and promote human life, but what lie in its means are numbers of irrational reasoning such that the dictate of reason doesn’t conform to the dictate of practical reason. The bill for instance, aims to safeguard human life, whereas in section nine and 10 is willfully and knowingly stated that family planning methods requiring hospital services, like tubal ligation, vasectomy and intra-uterine device insertion, among others, shall be available in all national and local government hospitals, and that hormonal contraceptives, injectables and other allied ‘reproductive health products’ if they may refer to it that way, shall be considered under the category of essential medicines. As a matter of fact, almost present in every section of the bill, is the blatant emphasis of widening and spreading, in a full range, the promotion of reproductive health services and supplies (e.g.;tubal ligation, vasectomy, IUD, contraceptives), which in one way or another, summarizes the purpose of this bill.
    By this point comes the opposition of the Church. First is the concept of the beginning of human life, which has been, for so long, contradictory between the Church and science. Then, it (bill) is morally wrong for it violates right reasoning which is to take the human nature completely. It is a form of a mutilation of the body, hence, destroying human nature integrally. It is also to be feared that the man, growing used to the employment of anti-conceptive practices, may finally engage to conjugal infidelity or may lose respect for the woman and, no longer caring for her physical equilibrium, may come to the point of considering her as a mere instrumental good of selfish achievement of pleasure, and no longer as his respected and beloved companion. These are just but few unseen if not apparent morally wrong consequences – if it’s the consequences that they are after to in enforcing the bill- of the means of this so-called reproductive health bill.
    The Church, or that morality doesn’t agree to the proposition of the bill that demands to give a free choice to the couple whether to engage or not to either of the different forms of family-planning, for it would mean deliberately allowing them to have a choice to morally evil decisions. Why not abstain, says the Church. Why not? In fact, people in married life are supposed to be matured enough with their will and knowledge. Provided that maturity has been garnered by them, abstinence then is not a question. Besides, there vow of conjugal love is revealed at this kind of matters.
    Nevertheless, there may be differences of beliefs or concepts between these two social institutions, but it shouldn’t be denied and disregarded that they indeed also share things in common. Furthermore, the common end present amongst both is the promotion and respect for human life. It is a moral good. It certainly upholds right reasoning. What differs is simply the means of pursuing this end, which should both conform to one another – towards the common good, that is. Apparently, the mentioned reproductive health services and supplies cannot be allowed, not only by the church but by morality itself. There are, however, still other matters or means stated in the RH Bill, namely; abstinence before marriage (Sec. 12), Section 3b and many others. These are already bound for admission both to promoting human life, and much more, a moral life. Finally, at this kind of matters, the means conforms to the end. There are no longer contradictions between the morality and this bill.

    • October 4, 2010 at 7:31 pm | #257

      In short, the bill is a result of hypocrisy. They claim to believe certain concepts just to make others think that they are “with them”, but they cannot hide in this disguise or else, they could not say what they really want.

      There is no real contradiction between science and the Catholic Faith simply because science is knowledge, and all true knowledge comes from God, while the Faith is a revelation from God. The conflict is just between ignorant scientists like Darwin, and the knowledge of God.

      There would be no middle ground for the bill and the Church for if the bill conforms with the Church, it would instantly stop to exist.

      • filo
        October 7, 2010 at 12:18 am | #258

        If you think that this bill will lead to irresponsible parenthood, then you didn’t teach your children well enough to make the responsible teenagers.

        • Wilberg
          October 7, 2010 at 9:10 am | #259

          Your comment will be more noticed and replied to if you will not leave it vague.

      • haha
        May 9, 2011 at 3:12 am | #260

        Could you please explain “true knowledge”, and how it came from God? Is it because Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, and God punished them because he wants them to disregard that symbolic knowledge for them to know a certain type of “true knowledge?”

        I know I’m being off-topic here but I’m hoping that you could answer my question.

        Thanks and have a good day.

  7. laverne
    April 19, 2010 at 11:26 am | #261

    this bill does not promote responsible parenthood. it will just add to irresponsible parenthood because by allowing the use of contraceptives, sons and daughters, especially the adolescents are free to engage in sexual relationships. Parents will never worry if their children are engaged in pre-marital sex because they think that with the use of contraceptives it guarantees their children will not end with early parenthood. This bill makes sex as a normal activity taken without any sanctity. Is it good that man and woman today will do sex always, with different partners? Sex can only be done in the context of marriage, if and only if the state supports this idea, then there will be no problem at all. In the context of marriage, there is no unwanted pregnancy which is one of the bill’s goal to solve. Why the promotion of contraceptives?

    • October 4, 2010 at 7:36 pm | #262

      “In the context of marriage, there is no unwanted pregnancy which is one of the bill’s goal to solve.”

      I completely agree.

      • justagirl
        March 30, 2011 at 11:23 am | #263

        eh pano naman po kung madami ng anak ung mag asawa? tpos nag sex sila, edi shempre may possibility na mabuntis ung babae.. pano kung hindi na nila ma afford na magkaroon pa ng anak, ndi ba sila pwedeng gumamit ng condom? kasi ang condom daw ay for abortion… ganun po ba?

        sa tingin ko naman po, gustong gawin ng bill na ito ay ma educate ung mga tao para maging responsableng mga tao, mga mag asawa, mga responsableng magulang..

        pasensha na po, ako’y isang estudyante lamang. :)

        • tester1084
          March 30, 2011 at 8:51 pm | #264

          I strongly agree. I hope vanillae could see the point you’re trying to say.

    • tester1084
      March 30, 2011 at 9:05 pm | #265

      This sounds like you want to make unwanted pregnancies to be as punishment to those who have sex without having intention of having a baby? You want the unwanted pregnancy to be the punishment for those who have sex and not prepared financially?

      Do you know that in that case you’re not only punishing those who will have sex but also the children they are going have? How naive. I wish you were born by irresponsible parents so you know how it feels to be an “unwanted child”. Grow up and wake up.

      • John
        May 20, 2011 at 11:06 am | #266

        So, by saying that, ok lang sa inyo na konsintihin yung mga kabataan na maengage sa pre-marital sex dahil safe na sila sa consequence of having a baby. kaya nga para lang sa mag-asawa ang sex eh, para mabuo man ang baby, walang problema dahil kasal naman sila at part ng buhay mag-asawa ang magka-anak. you guys should wake-up hindi kami. God Bless you all.

  8. Neigyl R. Noval
    April 28, 2010 at 10:22 pm | #267

    There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it. However, the bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will present the bad things. You need to have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided accordingly.

    Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you may be aware of this:

    Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with internationally recognized human rights standards.”
    –> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why international? Do we need to follow other countries way of population control and reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by the first world countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind people like being hospitable, which other countries are seeking to learn. We have our own standards.

    Section 2. Third paragraph: “…sustainable human development is better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.”
    –> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see that this statement may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don’t see it, seek more of its meaning. It lies beneath the underneath. There will be an unequal distribution of wealth. Don’t you see it?

    Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
    –> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.

    Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
    –> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its presented purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem. You see? This promotes more wealth for the rich.

    Section 3. (f): “Freedom of informed choice, which is…”
    –> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free to watch x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a demonstration in class? Oh, it’s our choice! We are free to be informed of it. Really?

    Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs…”
    –> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
    Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
    –> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This promotes pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest, etc. Anyway, we are free to do it!
    Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;”
    –> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc not involves?

    Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;”
    –> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for the quality of life?

    Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and welfare of adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF ADOLESCENTS’ AND CHILDREN’S AS WELL;…”
    –> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children? Children are included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This may promote a dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will be responsible for this.

    Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION COMPLICATIONS shall be treated…and compassionate manner.”
    –> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only contradicts the Law of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion complications in this statement is only an admission that abortion really has complications.

    Section 4. “Definition of Terms”
    –> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common understanding of everyone does not need to be defined.

    Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely and responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN…”
    –> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to have children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use yours also.

    Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical, mental and social well-being…”
    –> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
    Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the law.”
    –> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no one saw them.

    Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and timing of their children.”
    –> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children? Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population control. This bill is too vague.

    Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive health.”
    –> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10, how will I be involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it obvious that this refers to sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t include the spiritual well-being.

    Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive system its functions and processes and human sexuality…”
    –> This may promote promiscuity in education.
    Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
    –> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary skills? Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it mean the class will have a film showing on pornographic films?

    Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products…shall be considered under the category of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES…”
    –> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy Biogesic. Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better advertise it so that small children will learn too and if possible imitate it through experiments and practice for better reproductive health learning and to master the NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in Section 4, h.

    Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”
    –> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have sex and reproduction (See Section 4)?

    Sections 22 – 27:
    –> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.

    I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has many irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the Bill may become better for the people and logical.

    • stan da man
      April 30, 2010 at 1:56 pm | #268

      I like your comments Neigyl. The details are great. I think the reason behid the vagueness and irregularities of this bill is that provisions like natural birth control, anti-abortion, abstinence before marrairage, and other moral provisions were just ADDED to the previous versions of this bill coming from UN and US just so to make it appealing to the Filipino people. The congressmen did this too hurriendly to be deliberated quickly. Apparently there are international pressures at work here.

      Another thing I could say about the RH bill is that this law is not needed for our country Why?
      - We already have laws against abortion, against pre-marital sex, against pronography.
      - The church has been teaching natural family planning for decades.
      - Other methods of family planning are available in the net.
      - Family planning is mandatory to acauiring a marriage license.
      - Sex education is already taught in high schools, although, not as a separate subject.
      - Condoms are cheap (although I do not prefer using it)
      - Contraceptives are available in many pharmacies but I do not recommend using them. Its bad for the health that they can kill you (especially women) quickly; aside for the moral aspects:)
      - Our public hospitals already offer reproductive health care.
      - Philhealth already covers health care although it is not enough, just like all government insurance terms are.

      Moreover, if this RH bill passes into a law, out taxes may have to be raised to address the cost of implementing the bill. Imagine giving out free (or ubsidized) condoms and contraceptives to indigent individuals or couples. Our popuplation is 80% indigent that its just damn to expensive. Talking about thinning resources, the RH bill is just another way to make our country poorer.

      Sex is an instinct. People did it even before civilization was born. Our children will know it even if we do not teach it.

      Responsible sex happens only after marriage. Anything outside of marriage (including before) is already immoral and irresponsible.

      Most of all, there is no way for the RH bill to solve poverty in our country. Our problem is poverty and not poor reproductive health. Overpopulation is not the cause of poverty. We are poor because our wages are low (hello?). Increasing our wages to first-world country levels is the only practical way of solvins the poverty problem in our country. Go HYPERWAGE THEORY!

      But please do not attempt to forcibly control the population. Leave it to the parents. Overpopulation is not the problem. In fact, it is the labor force! We do not want be be another Germany, Sweden, Swtzerland, and Japan. These country propoulation growth has become too low or even reversed. They are adopting children for thirld world countries, like ours, just to sustain their population. Soon enough China will have problems of sustaining a strong labor force becuase there are not many children born nowadays.

      And lo! Singapore is overpopulated… Hongkong is overpopulated… Japan is also. But they are rich! Why? Becuase their workers are paid well.

      OK. I am already speaking my mind. So enough of it. Junk the RH Bill (again). Increase the wages (several times) of our workers and everything will just work out fine.

      -Stan da man….

      • Kaizer
        May 5, 2010 at 7:57 am | #269

        JAPAN OVERPOPULATED? think again you fool. their population is already considered old and their government even wants the Japanese couples to give birth to more children…. before you comment such stupid remarks, google it first to confirm the validity of your statement…

        Hongkong and Singapore are facing a population boom. their governments are realizing this. do you think the government will be able to employ all of the workers in the next generation? they won’t even be able to increase their wages…

        Stan da man think again

        • Bituin
          November 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm | #270

          KAIZER:
          “Hongkong and Singapore are facing a population boom” — WRONG.

          Singapore is suffering from a lack in manpower ergo they opened employment opportunities to neighboring Asian countries. Kulang na sila sa tao who are of the right age to sustain their progress.

    • Kaizer
      May 5, 2010 at 7:48 am | #271

      your comments are pretty stupid

      • Neigyl R. Noval
        May 6, 2010 at 7:40 pm | #272

        Kaizer, do you have any proofs and references that would contradict our stupid comments?

        I have given all erroneous statements in the Bill. ‘Stan da man’ has valid reasons. Do you have references that would validate your reasoning such that your reasoning may contradict our stupid comments?

        Ok, now to your point:

        Japan is overpopulated. Here are my valid references:

        http://www.pregnantpause.org/overpop/gnp.htm

        “The population of 51 countries or areas, including Germany, Italy, Japan and most of the successor States of the former Soviet Union, is expected to be lower in 2050 than in 2005.” –> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation

        “Nations that do get a handle on their overpopulation are likely to receive a scolding from globalists. Consider Japan, where 126 million people are crowded into a land area the size of California. Annual population growth has dropped to two-tenths of 1 percent. Rather than getting credit for halting unsustainable population growth, Western economists and politicians chastise Japan’s leaders for lack of economic performance. Japan is advised to grow itself out of recession so that other Asian nations with less discipline can resume their growth. Some even urge the Japanese to admit larger numbers of immigrants to pump up demand for goods and services. Whatever became of the age of limits?” –> http://www.nearsightedness.org/doctors/doctors8.htm

        http://www.jstor.org/pss/2750087

        http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_japan_overpopulated

        Hongkong and Singapore can increase their wages and that is very possible but may be very difficult and would take time. However, A law (or a bill) such as this RH Bill will obviously not solve overpopulation as I have explained in detail on my last comment…

        Please have a nice tone when replying to comments here.

        Thank you for the time reading this.

      • May 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm | #273

        Then give your wise comment so that we may learn from your words of wisdom.

      • John
        May 20, 2011 at 11:22 am | #274

        ano ka ngayon kaizer? tsk3x… let’s be nice guys, debate lang ‘to hindi away.

    • May 30, 2010 at 4:07 pm | #275

      The only thing that I do not agree with is the first sentence. This bill is ill-intended. Even Satan will profess that Jesus is Lord but it does not make him any good. Those points in the RH bill that sound good may really be good but unnecessary. One of the most obvious examples is the promotion of breastfeeding, which does not need a bill to realize. Did it need an RH bill for us to hear the government’s message on television that says, “Hindi hayop ang anak mo,” promoting human breastfeeding? These elements of the bill is for deception’s purpose. It applies a sandwich approach (or maybe a halo-halo approach), mixing good concepts with evil ones, not to produce real good results but to hide the bad ingredients.

    • anti-illogicals
      October 4, 2010 at 12:03 am | #276

      Neigyl R. Noval :
      There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it. However, the bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will present the bad things. You need to have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided accordingly.
      Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you may be aware of this:
      Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with internationally recognized human rights standards.”
      –> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why international? Do we need to follow other countries way of population control and reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by the first world countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind people like being hospitable, which other countries are seeking to learn. We have our own standards.
      Section 2. Third paragraph: “…sustainable human development is better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.”
      –> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see that this statement may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don’t see it, seek more of its meaning. It lies beneath the underneath. There will be an unequal distribution of wealth. Don’t you see it?
      Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
      –> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.
      Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
      –> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its presented purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem. You see? This promotes more wealth for the rich.
      Section 3. (f): “Freedom of informed choice, which is…”
      –> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free to watch x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a demonstration in class? Oh, it’s our choice! We are free to be informed of it. Really?
      Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs…”
      –> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
      Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
      –> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This promotes pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest, etc. Anyway, we are free to do it!
      Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;”
      –> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc not involves?
      Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;”
      –> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for the quality of life?
      Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and welfare of adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF ADOLESCENTS’ AND CHILDREN’S AS WELL;…”
      –> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children? Children are included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This may promote a dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will be responsible for this.
      Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION COMPLICATIONS shall be treated…and compassionate manner.”
      –> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only contradicts the Law of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion complications in this statement is only an admission that abortion really has complications.
      Section 4. “Definition of Terms”
      –> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common understanding of everyone does not need to be defined.
      Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely and responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN…”
      –> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to have children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use yours also.
      Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical, mental and social well-being…”
      –> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
      Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the law.”
      –> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no one saw them.
      Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and timing of their children.”
      –> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children? Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population control. This bill is too vague.
      Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive health.”
      –> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10, how will I be involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it obvious that this refers to sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t include the spiritual well-being.
      Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive system its functions and processes and human sexuality…”
      –> This may promote promiscuity in education.
      Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
      –> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary skills? Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it mean the class will have a film showing on pornographic films?
      Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products…shall be considered under the category of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES…”
      –> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy Biogesic. Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better advertise it so that small children will learn too and if possible imitate it through experiments and practice for better reproductive health learning and to master the NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in Section 4, h.
      Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”
      –> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have sex and reproduction (See Section 4)?
      Sections 22 – 27:
      –> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.
      I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has many irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the Bill may become better for the people and logical.

      Philippine standards – maybe because those standards have proven to be effective? I have no idea what these standards are though, but I guess the same goes for you. If that is the case, then both of us are not qualified to make a logical argument about these standards, so it should be disregarded. On the other hand, if the standards were not effective, then maybe we need to adopt our own.

      Manageable population – I agree, that is a possibility, though I think a distant one, since that would require some large changes in the demographics. Perhaps after more generations have passed.

      Either modern or natural – It is possible that natural family planning will garner less attention, but that does not mean it won’t be promoted. I guess it will still be an option for those who have regular periods, where this sort of family planning has proven to be effective.

      More wealth for the rich – In any region of the world, at any point in human history since money was invented, there has always been and always will be more money for the rich. Sad, but true. Whether this bill is implemented or not will not affect that truth.

      Freedom of informed choice – I guess some sex education videos will be used, which might not sit very well with a primarily Catholic country. On the other hand, I think they won’t be on the vein of the x-rated videos that I assume you are referring to, since those things are just two (or three or four plus) people having sex.

      Freedom of informed choice is just that, freedom to decide with the correct information at hand.

      Unmarried Individuals – I also think that it is possible that such an information would be used by the youth to take risks they would otherwise not take, though it might be also true that the consequences will be mitigated through proper education (i.e. if you know how to use a condom, then it would work most of the time). Condoms still fail sometimes.

      Making the jump to incest is too much though.

      State workers and professional private practitioners and not church leaders- Because of the separation of Church and State. People are still free to go to religious leaders for sex guidance though, the bill does not prevent that.

      Development of the people – As you said, there is no assurance, just like any other social policy.

      Reproductive health rights for children – Reproductive Health Rights, as defined here, is for overall health – including those that may be affected by such actions (including children). I guess the law is being broad here to accommodate different scenarios, such as adolescents getting pregnant, whether through consensual sex or other scenarios.

      Individuals having the right to have children – By law, yes, they are allowed to have children. Why? Because one, they might not have had the chance to get married for financial reasons (like a number of poor people). It’s not that they don’t have the money, it is most likely that they didn’t have the time to officially register and get married in front of a judge and/or priest. Processing papers like that takes time, time that can be spent on finding money for food. Two, they may hold beliefs that are not the same as ours, so having children does not necessitate marriage.

      Spiritual and Moral well being – they are not included in the definition probably because they are too subjective and have no numerical measure.

      Satisfying Sex Life, Capability to Reproduce and the Freedom to Decide IF, WHEN and HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the law:

      Yes, people have that freedom. Again, respect for their choices. There is nothing illegal in it. Morally questionable, but nothing illegal. Though they definitely can’t do it on the grasslands. That’s public indecency, and punishable by law.

      Individuals deciding the number and spacing – Yes, it promotes population control, though not through strict measures. It prescribes, but does not force you to follow.

      Male involvement and participation in reproductive health – means that they should also know about the contraceptives and its effects, and other necessary information about reproductive healthcare.

      On Schools – RH Bill and sexual education may promote promiscuity, since it can possibly eliminate, within a generation or so, the taboo on early/pre-marital sex. About the necessary skills, I think it refers to decision making skills, though then again, that can be expanded to include pleasure positions and the like.

      Essential Medicines – Yes, that might be the case. Though, truth be told, teenagers are already buying them.

      Abstinence before Marriage – is not imposed, but is a subject that will be covered. I guess it would be mentioned as an option to family planning. It is, after all, the most effective way to do it (100% effectiveness! Can’t be beaten by any drug out there. The only side effect might be an increased hunger for sex.)

    • November 14, 2010 at 9:36 pm | #277

      I do see some irregularities thank you but just trying to point out, you seem to make it a point that everyone shares the same belief of “spirituality” and “morality” as you haha

    • Perry Ileto
      May 15, 2011 at 11:16 am | #278

      Let me answer bluntly to every section you point out.

      Section 2 first paragraph: It’s followed on an international level to make sure standards are followed. We need standards ex. safety standards (remember the hopeful nurses that burned in that hotel because it did not follow safety standards?) Mas mataas pa nga standards sa labas. Mas masarap pa nga buhay ng kriminal sa kulungan sa US kung ikukumpara sa mahihirap sa Pilipinas.

      Section 2 third paragraph: The paragraph refers to the government not worrying about the future of kids because they will grow up the way they should: with every support from the parents because they can afford to feed them, clothe them, send them to good schools because they will be able to manage their finances better. Not euthanasia because that would be mercy killing and does not even cover this bill. Nor does it cover divorce unless divorce means “responsible parenting”.

      Section 3a: It does not seek to mention natural family planning since the church already advocates that on a daily basis. But for the sake of argument, the government will require those authorized to educate others about natural family planning which are to abstain or the “cycle” method.

      Section 3e: “spread so thinly” you incite the rich get richer. Read first then understand. The government already knows the poor get poorer everyday. They know the financial stress these families suffer. Think about it, which is better? A family of minimum wage earners feeding, clothing, providing proper education, health care, and mentoring 2 kids or 12 kids?

      Section 3f: “Freedom of informed choice, which is central to the exercise of any right, must be fully guaranteed by the State like the right itself;” again please read. An informed CHOICE. Does that even translate to pornography? This paragraph explains that every person should have the right to know all the facts before making a decision.

      Section 3g: It speaks that couples can DECIDE to have kids whenever they want. Meaning if they want to have kids, they stop using contraceptives. If they say 3 is enough, they start using it again. So basically, it’s not contradicting anything. And by the way, since when do personal convictions and religious beliefs relate with supply distribution? Again, sir, read.

      continued: “such concerned parents and couples, including unmarried individuals, should be afforded free and full access to relevant, adequate and correct information on reproductive health and human sexuality and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;” You take things out of context. Let’s face the fact that kids will and DO experiment with their sexuality. There is no force on this earth that can stop that. The least we can do is prevent them from having kids they can’t take care of or would you prefer the child suffer for the stupidity of the couple? also “non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest” happen everyday even without the existence of this bill. This bill seeks to prevent kids being born out of wedlock, or from irresponsible parents. It also seeks to educate everyone of the dangers of such activities like STD. READ!

      Continued: Why are priests and nuns not involved? I think it has something to do with a little thing called “SEPARATION OF CHURCH FROM STATE”. I’m getting tired of telling you this… READ!

      Section 3j: the clear BENEFIT this will bring to the poor is that they will have better family planning skills, and oh yeah, FEED, CLOTHE, AND AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR KIDS BECAUSE THEY CAN MANAGE THEIR FINANCES BETTER!!!!

      Section 3l: l. Respect for, protection and fulfillment of reproductive health rights seek to promote not only the RIGHTS and WELFARE of adult individuals and couples but those of adolescents’ and children’s as well; This paragraph speaks of the RIGHTS and WELFARE of adolescents and children! read AND UNDERSTAND!

      Section 3m: POST ABORTION COMPLICATIONS means miscarriage of a pregnancy and not abortion from a clinic. Nalaglag, hindi NILAGLAG! Please read again…. and of course abortion has complications, that’s one of the reasons the government outlawed it in the first place!

      Your definition of terms:

      “Individuals” have the right to want to have kids and not want to be married. It’s their right. There is no law that makes it illegal since the law does not discriminate on religious views.

      “Reproductive Health” why no spiritual and moral? Because the law leaves that to the church. See? The government does not intervene with church jurisdiction. Neither should the church meddle in government rules. That’s why the church was separated from state because of abusive monks and priests, remember?

      Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the law.” This is self explanatory. Like I said, people have the right to make their own choices without prejudice, which you are clearly full of by the way. The government respects this, so should the church. The “WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO” refers to REPRODUCING. Please learn to read. There are courses offered by TESDA for basic English.

      I’m going to quote you on this because this is too funny :D

      “Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and timing of their children.”
      –> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children? Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population control. This bill is too vague.”

      Like I said, free will. But the key word here is “RESPONSIBLY” unless the definition for the word “responsible” is to have as many kids as humanly possible, financially provide for them, but offer no guidance or mentoring or going to every kids school activity while working full time.

      Lastly, men have as much (if not more) sexual urges as women so men should also be responsible enough to do the right thing.

  9. laverne
    April 29, 2010 at 2:05 pm | #279

    RH bill FTW

  10. May 1, 2010 at 7:51 am | #280

    I strongly oppose the enactment of this bill. thanks for your explanations. I would like to have a copy of this item. thank you so much. God bless.

  11. Anna
    May 5, 2010 at 4:22 pm | #281

    I strongly disagree with this bill. it will just increase premarital sex which means immorality so definitely women especially those at a very young age would do such immorality without thinking. I go with my religion. Thank you. God Bless.

  12. jlocute
    May 7, 2010 at 2:53 pm | #282

    We are really at the end of times era. These are all Satans works. The Government maybe should pass a Bill instead that teaches sex without marriage is a crime, having sex with person other than your spouse is a crime.

    People have been persuaded by the devil that they are entitled to have sex when they choose, rejecting any unwanted life that may result. The enemy may tell you “God is too demanding and unreasonable”. “If we distributed more condoms we would not have disease or the need to abort babies”. “It’s God’s fault because God’s Church is against the use of condoms”.

    Sexual intercourse, by its nature and intent is potentially life giving act. This is God’s version. The enemy’s version is that sex can be closed to give life and used for physical pleasure only. Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led souls to avoid consequences by offering widespread contraception and abortion. Both men and women are now told that sinful sexual behaviors are allowable and acceptable. God intends that a man and woman enter a blessed union (through marriage) and then share their sexuality with one another. The devil is mocking God because he depicts God’s purpose. He is laughing because many led astray on this sin.

    • December 21, 2010 at 8:24 pm | #283

      i dreaming of a HUGE asteroid hitting and destroying the earth and killing every living organisms, and germs like humans. It is a RESET folks!

  13. jlocute
    May 7, 2010 at 4:13 pm | #284

    We should be aware how Satan works. As he said “I Pretend to love men, in order to destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin them and deceive them; help them, in order to pervert them and draw them into these my hellish regions.”

    Isn’t it this bill is one of its form that says will help us? We are deceived then by him if this one will be approved. Satan’s plan is to destroy us by having and committing sins against God.

  14. andy bandag
    May 8, 2010 at 1:54 pm | #285

    since marcos time, contraceptives were already in use, did population decline? from city to far flung areas, almost in every corner of the Philippine archipelago, couples, fornicators, adulterers if not all but almost all been using these trashes, did population again declined? and what we got? sex starve generation, uncontrolled sexual urges and it is because of the luck of discipline regarding sexuality, because instead of educating people, the government offer them condoms, pills etc.

    • Read this!
      May 11, 2010 at 11:54 am | #286

      yes, contraceptives are already out way back then but how many knows how to use them?
      meron nga ankong kabarangay, 9 na ang anak, tinuruan sila ng mga health worker nang pagamit ng condom. tinry nila, pagkatapos, tinapon nung lalake ung lahat ng condom nya. “putang ina, walang pakiramdam.” 12 na anak nila ngayon.

      saka, poppulation will NEVER decline unless you go out there and shoot at each other. ITS THE RATE OF POPULATION GROWTH that is the isue!

      other progressive countries have their P.growth rate by near 0% each year. meaning, namamaintain nila ang pupulation nila.

      imagine mo nga, kung meh rate tayo na +20% kada taon. para na tayong squater lahat by 2020.kahit sa mga probinsya. USE YOUR BRAIN! GOD GAVE IT FOR YOU TO USE IT.

      • Anna
        May 11, 2010 at 4:24 pm | #287

        DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO USE IT? WHY? IS USING CONTRACEPTIVES THAT COMPLICATED? STUPID IDEA DUDE. PLAINLY STUPID. YOU SHOULD USE YOU BRAIN.

      • May 30, 2010 at 4:25 pm | #288

        Wrong! You should use yours. Kahit tumaas pa ng kaunti ang birth rate ng Pilipinas, hindi tayo magiging squatters sa 2020 o kahit pa sa 2050. Feeling mo siguro di ka na mamamatay. Ilan na ba sa 7,107 islands ng Pilipinas ang occupied ng tao? ABOUT 4,000. Gaano karami ang mahigit 3,107 islands? Does it sound small a number to you? But then again, huwag mong pagkamalian na lahat ng buhay ngayon ay buhay pa sa 2020. Hayaan mo, pag namatay ka, the country will be one citizen lesser than before.

        • pam
          April 27, 2011 at 4:11 pm | #289

          your so idiot…. do you think ganyan ang buhay pagdating ng 2020?? naisip mo ba ang kalagayan ng mga tao pagdating ng panahong yan?? your so blind– tingnan mo ang kapaligiran- force child labor, AIDS dito AIDS doon, sa sobrang dami ng tao di na kayang tustusan pa, tapos ano??!! gobyero ang may kasalanan… hahaha!! naghahanap lang kayo ng masisisi…

      • Yuri_Diculous
        October 2, 2010 at 11:01 pm | #290

        Issue…kulang tayo sa disiplina kaya ang kikitid ng utak ng iba..papayag kayo sa bill na yan, imoral na tao naman ang kalalabasan…eh ano kung mahirap tayo externally? may mga taong materially poor pero mataas ang moralidad..bakit hindi magawa ng iba ang nagagawang tama ng ilan? gusto lagi ng magandang buhay, ayaw naman magsakrispisyo para sa kabutihan..shuskupo, kailangan pa nating mag-aral para lumago ang tamang kaisipan..

        • MALDITA.
          October 7, 2010 at 3:40 pm | #291

          ….TAMA TANGA LAMANG ANG MARUNONG MAG ISIP NANG GANYAN NA PANGET NA SULOSYON/..SA GANYANG PROBLEM…

  15. arielpulmano
    May 10, 2010 at 12:57 pm | #292

    i will vote villar because he opposes this bill. that’s Villar’s edge for me.

    • MALDITA.
      October 7, 2010 at 3:44 pm | #293

      MALAY MO SIYA ANG NAG PATUPAD PERO DI LAHAT NANG TAO AY KAYANG SUNDIN ITO….

  16. Read this!
    May 11, 2010 at 11:47 am | #294

    common people. RH bill does not promote abortion. period. it seeks to educate young about their sexuality so that they would not engage in that thing too young just because of curiosity and ignorance. Also it protects women from different abuses.

    1.READ THE WHOLE BILL BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE
    2.DON’T LET THE CHURCH DICTATE WHAT YOU SHOULD THINK. GOD HAS GIVEN YOU A BRAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE. USE IT!

    3.”MAY SOLUSYON ANG OVERPOPULATION AT ABORTION. ANG LIBOG WALA!” bakit? kahit gano ka katanda at ka mature, tao ka pa din, di ka alien.

    • Anna
      May 11, 2010 at 4:20 pm | #295

      this is SO WRONG! BE AFRAID AND ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOU DUNNO WHAT YOUR SAYING.

    • Neigyl R. Noval
      May 15, 2010 at 12:33 am | #296

      Hi. I just want to comment on your sentences:

      –> The RH Bill does promote abortion, promiscuity, etc.
      –> Sexuality has already been taught even without the RH Bill.
      –> Women is not protected by abuses, but they are more prone to abuses due to the fact of contraception, etc. Also, the women is endangered when using contraceptives because it is bad for their health too.
      –> I have mastered the Bill and see that their are good effect from the bill. However the bad effects overcomes the good effects. This is what most people didn’t see through it.
      –> With respect to my presentation on my post #13, I have not only based my analysis from the Church teachings. The bill is contradicting in itself in some of its sections to the other sections. The bill has many irregularities, and erroneous statements, as I have briefly explained on my post #13. I have used my God-given brain to draw out my analysis with the help of the Holy Spirit.
      –> Overpopulation and abortion cannot be prevented (even a slight) through the RH Bill as explained in post #14.

      Thank you so much.

    • clarence
      October 2, 2010 at 12:15 am | #297

      hindi mo naiintindihan ang pagiging “tao” para sabihin mong ang libog ay walang solusyon. hayop lang ang hindi makaka-regulate ng kanyang sexual urge dahil wala syang will-power. akala ko ba may brain ka? kung sabagay, hindi lahat ng may brain, my mind, logic, at correct reasoning. IKAW ANG MAGBASA NG RH BILL PAULIT-ULIT NANG MAINTINDIHAN MO ANG TUNAY NA SINASABI NITO. educate your brain!!!

      • click
        October 3, 2010 at 4:27 am | #298

        click :
        So does that mean we are Pro Premarital sex now. Imagine raising a teen, specially a teen girl, youre giving her advices about life, about boys and then this bill is already a law.
        TAYAY : anak pipiliin mo yung lalaking
        makakasama mo sa buhay ha,
        ipakilala mo yung mga nanliligaw
        sayo. Hwag maglilihim kay tatay,
        maraming lalaki jan katawan lang
        habol sa babae,piliin mo yung
        responsable
        etc..
        then in the middle of his father’s advice, guidance.. this pops into her mind.
        ANAK : ( Ok lang nagtatake naman ako ng pills eh.. party party ) )
        Then whats the essense of good parenting, anong saysay ng pagpapamilya, magpapalaki ka ng anak mo d ka sinusunod, biologicallly related lang kayo pero anong saysay non??!!! Hindi lahat ng anak magiging mabait kahit ulanin mo ng payo, kaya nga hindi natin kailangnan ng mga bagay na makakadagdag pa sa pagpapahirap sa pagpapalaki sa kanila.
        yan ba gusto nyong manahin sa administrasyong to, those law makers just come and go, but the laws the make ang hirap buwagin nyan.. when you realized its not worth it, ang hirap na lalo na kung may mga nakikinabang na sa budget.
        you treating that thing called “morality” as if were just a pile of garbage that nids to be thrown, YAN ANG NAGPALAYA SA PILIPINAS FROM DICTATORSHIP!

      • MALDITA.
        October 7, 2010 at 3:37 pm | #299

        YOUR RIGHT WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE ONLY YOU KNOWS IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT….. …. .. THATS WHY IT DEPENDS ON YOUR SELF…..MALAY MO YOUR SUCH LIKE….._______?????

    • edgar
      October 25, 2010 at 9:51 am | #300

      poor one. mababaw nga alam mo sa mga bagay na pinag usapan dito. yon lang point talaga.

  17. Richter
    May 15, 2010 at 3:12 am | #301

    I replace your intended meaning with my own interpretation. BY THOR’S MIGHTY BEARD IT HAS A RECIPE FOR FETUS NOODLES!

  18. proud mama
    May 22, 2010 at 1:36 pm | #302

    hi, neigyl. thanks for spending ur time in trying to form and express ur opinion as best as you could. we need people like you to let us see the “light”..i have some question/comment though;they are written below every comment you made. good day sir.

    Neigyl R. Noval :
    There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it. However, the bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will present the bad things. You need to have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided accordingly.
    Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you may be aware of this:
    Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with internationally recognized human rights standards.”
    –> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why international? Do we need to follow other countries way of population control and reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by the first world countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind people like being hospitable, which other countries are seeking to learn. We have our own standards.

    ** following or conforming with international standard does not in any way undermined or enslaved us. matter of fact we are,unwittingly to some, using,enjoying, international standard everyday. would you rather go to a hospital built with substandard materials, equipped with antiquated machineries,and manned with poorly trained personnel? of course not, pls dont tell me that you will hire the services of “mang kepweng” instead because his ways is so filipino. where did you get the idea that our nationalism our culture will be lost (undermined or enslaved) if we will adhere to international standard standard?..if your to travel abroad, would you fly with a propeller driven aircraft(not the standard anymore) or a jet?

    Section 2. Third paragraph: “…sustainable human development is better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.”
    –> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see that this statement may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don’t see it, seek more of its meaning. It lies beneath the underneath. There will be an unequal distribution of wealth. Don’t you see it?

    **are you one of those so called I.T. experts who instead of suggesting, helping, ensuring that the recently concluded election will be a success; painted a gloom and doom scenario that scared the wits out of our people?..even if, for the sake of arguments, i dont love our country and our people , i still cant see,hear, look, listen that; sustainable human development may promote euthanasia or divorce…nice play patriotism card pal..nice scare tactic too..keep it up.

    **
    Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
    –> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.

    **i guess section 5.a and 5.f.6.k and other related section/subsection is too ambiguous for you..

    Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
    –> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its presented purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem. You see? This promotes more wealth for the rich.

    **you are not only the prophet of gloom and doom. you are also the worst apprentice of madam auring!

    Section 3. (f): “Freedom of informed choice, which is…”

    –> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free to watch x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a demonstration in class? Oh, it’s our choice! We are free to be informed of it. Really?

    ** why did i even bother reading your childish comment. thanks for wasting my time pal.thanks for nothing…my comments are only up yo here..no more..i give up..”freedom of informed choice= your wild innuendos witch wildly suggest it means watching x-rated??!!..”..shh..i have enough!!..grow up!!stop being a jejemon!!have a life!!sell your computer!!…how is that for a comment??? happy now????
    Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs…”
    –> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
    Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
    –> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This promotes pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest, etc. Anyway, we are free to do it!
    Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;”
    –> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc not involves?
    Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;”
    –> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for the quality of life?
    Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and welfare of adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF ADOLESCENTS’ AND CHILDREN’S AS WELL;…”
    –> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children? Children are included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This may promote a dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will be responsible for this.
    Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION COMPLICATIONS shall be treated…and compassionate manner.”
    –> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only contradicts the Law of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion complications in this statement is only an admission that abortion really has complications.
    Section 4. “Definition of Terms”
    –> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common understanding of everyone does not need to be defined.
    Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely and responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN…”
    –> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to have children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use yours also.
    Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical, mental and social well-being…”
    –> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
    Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the law.”
    –> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no one saw them.
    Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and timing of their children.”
    –> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children? Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population control. This bill is too vague.
    Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive health.”
    –> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10, how will I be involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it obvious that this refers to sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t include the spiritual well-being.
    Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive system its functions and processes and human sexuality…”
    –> This may promote promiscuity in education.
    Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
    –> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary skills? Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it mean the class will have a film showing on pornographic films?
    Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products…shall be considered under the category of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES…”
    –> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy Biogesic. Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better advertise it so that small children will learn too and if possible imitate it through experiments and practice for better reproductive health learning and to master the NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in Section 4, h.
    Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”
    –> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have sex and reproduction (See Section 4)?
    Sections 22 – 27:
    –> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.
    I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has many irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the Bill may become better for the people and logical.

    • Neigyl R. Noval
      May 24, 2010 at 12:46 am | #303

      I will respond to every ** in your comments.

      **
      material international standards, class international standards, trends, music standards, vehicle standards, matter of living standards, job international standards are all different from MORAL standards. Many people think of the world as a material thing. We have all wealth; but where will it go when we die? I don’t say that we will no longer need to achieve wealth–we need to in order to live a happy life.

      Going back to the topic, we know we have international standards about abortion, contraception, etc. but we Filipinos have our own way of understanding those things. Example: International Standard: abortion is removing the fetus from the womb. Filipino Standard: abortion is killing and is a murder. If, on the first place, we dont know our standard, then that’s a problem.

      The Church taught us that contraception is bad. Biologist taught us that contraceptives is bad for the women’s health. I guess it’s enough to bear.

      **
      I am a Computer Engineer and I am an ordinary guy who ordinarily vote during the past election just like the other people. Again, I base my analysis based on my own understanding of things–not focusing more on the Church teaching. I am sorry to tell you that you yourself do not understand what Section 2, 3rd paragraph means, as in my explaination there. Also, I am not scaring. I am just posting here my opinion based on my own conscience (and maybe with the help of the Holy Spirit) how this RH Bill works. Sad to say, I am only posting here the errors on the bill on my personal basis.

      **

      **
      I will elaborate my explanation further. The bill is entitled: Reproductive Health Bill. The two sections you have mentioned only stated that natural family planning method exists other than the artificial ones. Also, it merely defines that the natural ones is not prohibited and is fine. Natural family planning method is stated in the bill only 3.54% on the entire bill (in words). How can it promote the natural family planning method? Remember that reproductive health also involves the natural ones but is only found 3.54% in the Bill.

      **
      I love playing chess and I predict in advance the moves of my opponent. I know chess is different from life matters so I will not say that both are analogous. I see that this section has already been present today–the rich become richer, the poor become poorer. Thus, I am not predicting things.

      **
      I only state watching x-rated films as an example to be concrete. You can give many examples as you like like choice of pre-marital sex, choice of non-marital sex, etc.

      Thanks for your comment. Please ask for more clarifications if possible and i will answer them precisely if i have time. Thanks.

  19. mocha_pandan
    May 25, 2010 at 11:12 am | #304

    It is quite difficult to discern good and evil in today’s materialistic and corrupted world where all is evaluated from the point of view of gain and wealth, beauty or physical appearance, power and success; because evil is often disguise as good and virtuous. Didn’t we understand that Satan works secretly and hides himself for us to be able to know? Many would say that our generation today is very lucky than the earlier days. We have lots of innovations and advance technologies; the televisions, cinemas, internet, laptops, ipod, PSPs, games and many other gadgets. Didn’t we know that all of these seduce humanity to become materialistic and were invented to lead humanity astray? Look at the television and cinemas, Satan mentioned that TV is one of his favorite invention. This is his instrument to destroy every soul and families thru violent and corrupted programs with impurities and immorality. Isn’t it that our generation is much corrupted than before because of this? Let’s take another one: most have ipods and the likes in other forms as mp3 player, etc and carry it anywhere; Satan wants to introduce noise and some form of entertainment; it is his way to forget and distract our communication to God thru prayers. It is in silence that you will hear God. It is in silence that God will hear you when you pray. Look at the credit cards; it is there so that one can buy even without money. It encourages us to buy and buy more things. The PSPs and other game gadgets, the children at home prefer it rather than to play or talk with their parents. Even old ones are addicted to it. The internet is there as another way to propagate corruption, immorality and impurity. Many are addicted to it and prefer to surf, look for porn pictures, movies and even play. Satan wants us to sin and always keep us busy to forget God. Contraceptives are there so that nobody can conceive a child. As a result, it introduces sexual abuse. All these are Satans instrument. Satan knows that these things bring more of negative impact to humanity than of the positive impact. Thus, it is his way and instrument for the fulfillment of his plans. These are so many things today that we think helps humanity a lot. But in essence it is there so that humanity can be lead astray to God. Satan said “I Pretend to love men, in order to destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin them and deceive them; help them, in order to pervert them and draw them into these my hellish regions.”. We are then deceived if we believe that what’s happening in our world today was just fine. All of this and many things are works of Satan thru the Black Beast mentioned in the Apocalypse (Revelation) part of the Bible. We are really near the end times. Study yourself, maybe you already had the mark of the beast (666) in your forehead and right hand.

    Many of us were unaware of what their sins are. Our everyday life is mixed with sin that we no longer pay attention to it. This is because we are blinded by darkness and we think that what we doing were just normal. In case we are aware of our sins, we persist and continue to do it. We are hesitant or don’t want to change at all. Mortal sin is our number one enemy, since it is only and derisive cause of the damnation of souls that are in hell. In other words, those who die suddenly while in a state of mortal sin suffer the punishment of hell. It is told by the Blessed Mother, that “sins of the flesh” is the most reason why many people goes to hell. Many abuse their sexuality today; contraceptives, masturbation, infidelity with their partner, premarital sex and” live-in and sex” without marriage. In the Bible, Jesus told us that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. All of these are sin which we think are normal during this time. As our Blessed Mother told us in Her apparitions, “Too Many Souls Are Going To Hell”.

    Satan is very much triumphant today!!! Because many doesn’t know how he works. And he really hides. Indeed, many volunteers to help him. All of these needs to be fulfilled before the Second Coming of our Lord.

    • filo
      October 7, 2010 at 12:38 am | #305

      The concept of “Satan” was coined by the Christians who hated the pagans for worshiping their own god. They weren’t doing anything wrong; they were minding their own business. And yet the Christians burned them at the stake for not worshiping the god they worshiped.

      • Sir
        October 7, 2010 at 8:36 am | #306

        Can you back up your claims please?
        Not a single detail you said is recorded in history.

        Do you even know Adam and Eve?
        Do you even know Nero? and how the term ‘human torch’ came to be?

        • Sammie
          May 9, 2011 at 1:22 am | #307

          Well do you know that the bible is edited by the humans and so what happened before was not how it really was documented? And do you know that even priests claim that Adam and Eve may not even be real and may just be representations?

  20. proud mama
    May 26, 2010 at 11:21 am | #308

    source of corruption,abortion, worst euthanasia,anything else?? there is nothing wrong with people trying to let us know that they are morally upright. absolutely nothing wrong either if they project themselves as a well fine tuned to their belief.i can only hope that you cant find nothing wrong with me if i’ll say: “you lacked the character that qualifies you to be morally upright, you are wanting of a virtue that matter most in each of our belief:FAITH..

    by dropping words like abortion, euthanasia, etc to every word/phrase/sentence/paragraph that you think those words (abortion, euthanasia etc.) fits: you are shooting from the hip, you are shooting with eyes closed..

    someone higher than us only required us to have a faith as tiny as a mustard seed in order for us to make the first big step towards addressing this problem. nothing is impossible in fact we can “command the mountain and order the mountain to plant itself into the sea”.

    if ever -after hearing all the pros and cons and incorporating those pros and cons that makes sense- this bill becomes a law and in our journey we are to fall,we must pick ourselves up. amend the law to let it suit the needs of the day and the days to come.

    the truth is, population growth is a real monster that all of us have to tackle. all of us means as one. whatever our religious belief is, our personal aspirations, dreams,ambitions and hopes must be set aside for the good of our country. the only country that we have. MABUHAY TAYONG LAHAT…

    • Wilberg
      May 31, 2010 at 5:48 am | #309

      “…we must pick ourselves up. amend the law to let it suit the needs of the day and the days to come.”

      Wow, this sounds good! But then again, no. Was Roe v. Wade amended to suit the needs of the day? Actually, after that decision, there was no turning back. I would recommend this reading: Supreme Court’s Evolving Rulings on Abortion, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5029934. Amending laws and rulings is not as simple as you may think. It took us a people power revolution and hundreds of lives to amend the Philippine Constitution. Roe v. Wade has already taken more than 46 million lives (not yet included those that are linked to those lives) but the US Supreme Court rulings still uphold it. Do Americans want that? No. Even Norma McCorvey (Roe) regretted that and actually fights against its fruits now.

      Think of that.

      • proud mama
        May 31, 2010 at 10:50 am | #310

        wilberg that link is all about legal abortion and nothing to do with rh bill…so you think rh is bill pro abortion??..if so, can you point it where exactly so that i can read and reread and reread it??

        • Wilberg
          May 31, 2010 at 3:52 pm | #311

          Yes, I do think, that is why this is the nearest example that I gave. But again, you still miss the target. In this particular reply, it is not the link between the RH bill and abortion that I am looking at. The key is in the title, “Evolving Rulings”. The point is, again, amending laws is not as simple as you might be thinking, and there is almost no turning backs. We see what you do not see and we would not even in dreams take the risk of RH bill holding our necks at the very first second that it would be passed as law. By the power of RH Bill Section 21, Article e, do you think you can even reply or comment to this post if you are in the opposite side? I assume that you were already born and thinking when the country is in Marcos era. And do you know how to spell this “health” bill? T-O-T-A-L-I-T-A-R-I-A-N.

    • Secret
      December 13, 2010 at 7:28 pm | #312

      faith means not wanting to know the truth. im sure God would want us to know the truth rather than make us afraid of unblinded fear.

  21. proud mama
    May 31, 2010 at 10:54 am | #313

    one more thing wilberg, am right to say that, based on your link, rh bill is all about legalizing abortion??

    • Wilberg
      May 31, 2010 at 4:02 pm | #314

      No, you are not. Based on the link that I have given (if you read everything, of course, and if your chronology is correct), an evil law might kill billions of lives pointblank and publicly but could not be amended even after a number of decades and despite national protests.

  22. proud mama
    May 31, 2010 at 1:30 pm | #315

    roe vs wade..hmmm..this is certainly not the first time that ive encountered this post(differenr forum)…when it comes to abortion, baamm!! roe vs wade..

    so what is the big deal about roe vs wade..?? rh bill is about abortion?

  23. Wilberg
    May 31, 2010 at 5:11 pm | #316

    You should really be thinking that. Why the automatic reaction? Of course, “when it comes to abortion”, Roe v. Wade will be the first three words in mind because it is the central foundation of the abortion law (and/or mentality) in the US and all the US-influenced countries. I would be equally surprised if you say, “Why do people always speak of EDSA when they heard people power revolution and vice versa?”

    Now, what is the big deal about Roe v. Wade in relation with the RH bill? Again, I will point you to a link that I wish you would at least try to honestly understand: http://faithandreasonblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/roe-v-wade-legacy-of-margaret-sanger.html. It would be enough if you know Margaret Sanger, how from being a criminal she became a “hero”, how she changed criminality into heroism, how many Americans (and American-mentality people) have her as their mother, how she has changed American and international laws, and how successful she is with her Negro Project even if she is already dead. Of course, these are not the only things that you can learn about Sanger, there is much more.

    Read Sanger’s statement carefully: “To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun.” Sounds familiar? It is the exact claim of RH bill — saying yes to contraception is saying no to abortion, right? Wow, this is an anti-abortion stand! Now, here is the next level of Sanger’s national/global mentality manipulation (“pangbobobo” in my own Tagalog translation): “No one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions.” At first, abortion was wrong “no matter how”, that is why we need contraceptives. In the next statement, “there are times when an abortion is justifiable” as opposed to “no matter how”. Now, this is the clever part, “…but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception.” It still primarily promotes contraception but paves the way for abortion. When minds are already set, it is time to say these words: “The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it” (Women and the New Race Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923), “More children from the fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief aim of birth control” (Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12).

    Now, was this just a US event? A very big NO. Where contraception is generally accepted, abortion becomes a commonplace.

  24. proud mama
    June 2, 2010 at 12:12 pm | #317

    good day wilberg…now before this gets out of hand. lets us not side step what is it that we are talking about..

    ..if you read the letter up to the latter;abortion,you can find none. in fact it is clearly stated that abortion is a crime.

    ..the clear intent of this bill is not abortion..it is not acceptable to put forth an interpretation that is not within the intent of this bill…one cannot bend the spirit of the bill and its authors just to be able to accommodate his/her interpretation that exactly runs counter to the intent of the bill and its authors….

    to those who have apprehensions that this bill may lead to this or that, the best thing that you can do is to take an active part. let your voices be heard. attend public hearings, write to your congressman. let anyone not be cowed to do so, else im afraid you will, in the future, say, ” damn i told you so”..

    thanks everybody for a wonderful discussion. i think i have said enough.

    • June 2, 2010 at 3:37 pm | #318

      First of all, I believe that many of those who participated on this discussion did not fail to support a campaign, whether online or offline, against this bill with the intention to appeal to the representatives in Congress, and to inform also the senators and all the citizens. We do not just talk here but are silent everywhere else. Actually, the first article that I have regarding contraception was written many years ago (long before HB 5043) and was posted on my site on 2008. [1] http://sicar.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/kung-mahal-ninyo-silamagplano/ [2] http://sicar.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/huwag-idaan-sa-hula%E2%80%A6magplano-ng-pamilya/. I still have more articles in store (not yet composed) for some of my blogsites.

      Second, we — pro-life individuals and movements — are not side stepping anything whether concerning RH bill or any other anti-life issues. We ask, we learn, and we speak up. We have decades of data on hand and we do not speak for a single piece of paper or even for a document that is 15 pages long (including the Fact Sheet and the Explanatory Note). On the other hand, what is being ignored by many, as if it is just something that we can remedy with one tablet of paracetamol afterwards, are the true and visible evil effects of contraceptive mentality.

      Do you really believe that those who opposed this bill on the ground of being anti-life, anti-family, anti-nature, anti-God, anti-freedom, unnecessary, invasive, totalitarianistic, American, and many more are just some bunch of idiots who did not read this short bill and cannot discern the words behind the mind of its writers but instead invent issues to be scared about which are not really related to it? Think again. Are these people not aware of the past and present history of the field they are in and of what they were fighting against? HB 5043 is just an offspring of laws and proposals that are already enforced around the world. This is in no way new or surprising. It has been expected to come into being since many decades ago. Actually, former Senator Kid Tatad has been fighting against it in more or less 10 years now. Pope Paul VI foretold its effects 40 years ago which all came true not long after he wrote about it to the world. These are things that are really being disregarded. The concept of the RH bill is already 2000 years in the mind of the Church, and was already addressed 2000 years ago. We do not even know Edcel Lagman as pro-RH bill yet when we started the fight against his HB 5043. How is that? As I have said, this is not a new proposal, and the laws that gave birth to this has already started destroying the world, including families, marriages, relationships, one’s own self perception, morality, values, mentality, culture, mothers’ lives, and children’s lives very long time ago. Were those facts mentioned in the bill? It would not be. But are they not true? It is for you to find out.

      I assume I do not have to repeat the points of post #5 and #10 anymore.

      Yes, you have already said enough but have not yet listened enough. To know the intent of the bill and of “those who wrote it” (as I always emphasize) is as not as good as you see it. They know it very well. Hence the gestation of section 21 of the RH bill. “Any person who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act” shall be punished. What is malicious? What is misinformation? Everything that is opposed to it is deemed malicious and a misinformation, commonsensically. And who would not be punished then? That would include you. Why the great fear? Why the insecurity of this bill? Why would it go to the extent of punishing people because of speaking against it? Where is the check and balance of democracy? And how many laws with Section 21-e will follow after this totalitarian bill? As I have said above, this Act do not uphold that abortion is a criminal act, it just recognizes the status quo of abortion in the Philippine law. RH bill is not the Constitution nor it is a Supreme Court ruling. All it can do is to acknowledge the criminality of abortion but not to affirm it as they want it to sound like. Again, as I have already related, Margaret Sanger who happened to be the mother of all these fights for contraception (?) pioneered this approach through her “innocent” words: “Abortion was the wrong way — no matter how early it was performed it was taking life…contraception was the better way, the safer way…” It appears that she criminalizes abortion, right? But only gullible people will believe Sanger and so the writers of the RH bill. They do not criminalize abortion; they deceitfully earn public trust. What is next? A progressive change of mentality.

      Again, is this a US event? No, it is a world event.

      Just think of this. Contraception “was” illegal everywhere. Today, it is legal almost everywhere. Those who promoted it were once criminals but are now heroes. Now, is abortion ILLEGAL on those countries where contraception is generally accepted? Where now is the claim that contraception seeks to criminalize abortion even more? The opposite is true — it legalized it. Who will protest?

      If you were not convinced by Margaret Sanger (that is if you really learn about her which I doubt a great deal), maybe Henry Kissinger can. And who is he? This might add to your knowledge of him: [1] http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/is-henry-kissinger-setting-obamas-foreign-policy/ [2] http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=85442 [3] http://wlym.com/text/NSSM200.htm. He might have existed long before you do. You were born under his international influence. You may want other names in the future. How about someone who is more known in the Philippines and around the world?

      • June 17, 2010 at 5:19 pm | #319

        I assume I do not have to repeat the points of post #5 and #11 anymore.

        • May 14, 2011 at 2:08 am | #320

          Oh great thanks for explaining the RH bill in the context of evolving laws, specifically laws on contraception leading to abortion. And not that I’m playing ms.goody-two-shoes, let’s put faith aside, the thing is US still has problems with teenage pregnancies and abortion. So how can RH bill solve our problems today, look at US they have the same problems?

    • Wilberg
      June 3, 2010 at 2:06 pm | #321

      Let us also not forget John Holdren and his Ecoscience. This man just happened to be Obama’s Science Czar.

      “Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”

      “One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.”

      “A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.”

      “In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two children?”

      Of course, I do not have a whole day for giving examples here. You can provide yourselves of the document and read the whole book.

      The title is: Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment

  25. yesmie
    June 24, 2010 at 8:28 am | #322

    anu po ba ang mga ipinagbabawal na paraan ng abortion.

    d. Proscription and hazards of abortion and management of post-abortion complications.

    hindi malinaw kung anung mga uri ng abortion ang ipinagbabawal..

    SEC. 10. Contraceptives as Essential Medicines. – Hormonal contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products and supplies shall be considered under the category of essential medicines and supplies which shall form part of the National Drug Formulary and the same shall be included in the regular purchase of essential medicines and supplies of all national and lord hospitals and other government health units.

    baka naman yung mga kasama sa contraceptive as essential madecines ay gamit para sa abortion..dapat po malinaw kung anung mga gamot ang gagamitin as contraceptive essential medicines..

    • June 24, 2010 at 1:12 pm | #323

      Lahat ng sinasadyang aborsyon (induced abortion) sa anumang paraan ay ipinagbabawal ng Konstitusyon, dahil ang lahat ng tao mula sa sinapupunan hanggang sa libingan ay may pantay-pantay na karapatan.

      Contraceptives as Essential Medicines – Unang-una, hindi dapat tawaging “medicine” ang contraceptives dahil hindi ito ginawa upang ipanggamot kundi upang pigilan ang pagdadalantao. Pangalawa, at higit sa lahat, hindi ito dapat tawaging “essential” para isama sa listahan ng mga gagastusan ng mga mamamayan, dahil hindi ito pangunahing pangangailangan, at tulad ng nabanggit, hindi ito mga gamot. Sa totoong buhay, ang mga gamot na dapat ay hindi nawawala sa mga health center ay silang wala dito. Sabi nila, 11 babae ang namamatay araw-araw sa Pilipinas dahil sa kumplikasyon sa panganganak. Ito ang lagi nilang ibinibigay na dahilan kung bakit kailangan ng RH bill at kung bakit dapat gawing “essential medicines” ang mga contraceptive. Ibig sabihin, para maiwasan ang ganitong pagkamatay, dapat iwasan ang panganganak. Tama ba ito? Ngayon ang tanong, bago nila naisip na ipapasan sa mga mamamayan ang mga kagamitan at mga kemikal na gagamitin para pigilan ang pagdadalantao at ang panganganak, pinagpaguran ba muna nilang isabatas ang pagiging libre ng mga gamot para sa mga pangunahing sakit na pumapatay sa mga babae? Sa bawat 100,000 kababaihan, araw-araw ay namamatay ang 80 dahil sa sakit sa puso, 63 dahil sa vascular diseases, 51 dahil sa cancer, 45 dahil sa pneumonia, 23 dahil sa TB, 22 dahil sa diabetes, at 16 dahil sa lower chronic respiratory diseases. Hindi ba’t ang mga gamot sa mga sakit na ito ang dapat na ituring na essential? Gusto nila tayong pagastusin para sa mga “agent” na pipigil sa buhay habang hinahayaan nilang mamatay ang mga may sakit na nangangailangan. Ito ay isang desperado at garapalang paraan ng pag-ubos sa mga tao. Ang motto nila: “Iwasan ang pagsilang, tanggapin ang kamatayan.”

      “baka naman yung mga kasama sa contraceptive as essential madecines ay gamit para sa abortion”
      Ang Pill at ang IUD ay dalawa sa mga tinatawag na contraceptives, pero alam ng mga doktor na ito ay maaari din pumatay ng nasa sinapupunan (abortifacient), bagamat ito ay mahigpit na pinasisinungalingan ng mga ignorante, kung hindi man manlilinlang, na tagapagsulong ng RH bill.

  26. Neigyl R. Noval
    July 3, 2010 at 3:04 pm | #324

    *** abortion:
    Abortion in any means is illegal in the constitution, in the community, in the church, and in the eyes of God.

    *** subsection d.:
    That is one of the many that made this bill erroneous and self-contradicting.

    *** section 10:
    “Essential” means necessary. “Medicine” means a healing substance. That means, considering contraceptives as essential medicine only tells us that such is necessary for our health. It simply implies that we shall take such contraceptives for the benefit of our health.

    Please see post #19 for more of my explanations about this bill.

    Thank you.

  27. July 10, 2010 at 11:17 pm | #325

    i think population control is not the solution of poverty…

    • 69
      August 27, 2010 at 2:49 pm | #326

      then what is it…do you know how many starving children are here in our country today…saan mo sila ititira…puputulin nyo nanaman ang mga puno at papatagin ang mga kabundukan para gunawa ng pabahay para sa kanila…damn…you people don’t use you’re brains…mas maraming filipino means masmaraming dapat pagsilbihan…malaki ang chance na dumami nanaman ang magugutom…ahm…guys…kailan ba tayo matututo…the world is evolving everything is constantly chnging…buti sana kung kasing laki ng area ng bansa natin ang china…eh d kahit mag-anak kayo ng mag-anak ok lang…kaso nga…ultimong china…humahanap na ng ways para mabawasan ang populasyon nila…mga sir…kung gusto ninyong magkaroon ng TUNAY NA PAGBABAGo sa bansang pilipinas…eh maganda siguro simulan nyong baguhin ang mga pananaw nyo sa buhay…2010 na po…tama na ang mga lumang paniniwala……

      • Neigyl R. Noval
        September 9, 2010 at 11:23 pm | #327

        This bill is not the only way to control the population in the Philippines. There are many different ways.

        Some few suggestions would be:

        (1)
        Increase the literacy rates of Filipino people (in whatever way) so they can find jobs and get busy to work. In that way, they are not prone to private places where few gets horny and do their stuff there.

        (2)
        Encourage all young Filipinos to study hard and do their best on their studies so they may be successful in their carrier. Though related to number (1), this suggestion pertains to more Qualitive education and not just Quantitative education (where you graduated college and learned less). It is obvious that money is the problem. Their are many good ways to gain financial aid though with the help of God.

        (3)
        Encourage everyone to be religious not in words but in deeds, like visiting orphanages and the like.

        If you don’t get why the points above will solve the population in the Philippines, then you have a problem.

        God bless us all.

        • Ryu
          September 30, 2010 at 6:31 pm | #328

          1. lol… #1 problem of our beloved country, less Job opportunities,.. many of us Filipinos are educated/ graduates of college, i think the problem is, less job offerings, don’t you think?.

          2. how many times did we hear that from our parents-teachers? STUDY FUCKIN HARD, FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER FUCKING FUTURE… we did, yet[see reply #1]

          3. The Philippines is a very religious country… kaya nga over populated tayo eh.. hehheheh…. [go and multiply!!]

          i agree with number 69, tama na ang lumang paniniwala, hindi katulad nuong panahon ni jesus ang buhay ngayon… kahit hanap ng hanap ng solution ang gobyerno-investors for jobs, hindi nila mapunan, hindi mawala-wala ang unemployment, bakit? ikompara mo naman ang mga sanggol na ipinanganak sa halos 20 years kumpara sa dadalhin ng mga investors na work…..

          • October 1, 2010 at 1:23 pm | #329

            1. many of us Filipinos are educated/ graduates of college, i think the problem is, less job offerings, don’t you think?.

            I don’t think so. I have already seen many job fairs in different places, and there are times that companies present are more than those who apply. There are companies that get no line of applicants. And those who do have cannot accept the majority of applicants because they are not qualified. Being a college graduate does not necessarily equate being educated or skilled. There are more illiterate (so to say) college graduates than educated college graduates. Literacy is the problem and not job offers.

            2. My parents and my teachers did not talk to me that way. [Before I forget to mention, attitude is number 1 factor in getting a job and being retained in it.] Maybe you did study hard but you are not everybody (and as I have said, it is multifactorial). Filipino minds are shaped (even by the parents) to see education — pertaining to academics — as “the key” to getting a job. The fact of the matter is, it is being learned that greatly affects whether you’ll find a job or not. It is not by just going to school, getting high grades, and marching with flying collars. A person is not learned unless he really is — being a graduate or a dropout is secondary. Skills, knowledge, and attitude are still foremost. It is not about job offers.

            3. The Philippines is a very religious country… kaya nga over populated tayo eh.. hehheheh…. [go and multiply!!]

            I don’t agree. Most Filipinos are Catholics but I can’t say that the country as a whole is religious. Filipinos are more superstitious than religious. Second point, all practicing Catholics are responsible citizens. They don’t need condoms or pills; only people who has no self mastery use those. When Catholics abstain, they do so purposely and joyfully — just the same when they conceive. Third point is there is no overpopulation. Malthusian myth was already debunked a long time ago. It is contraceptives and abortion propagandists who desperately inject this culture to the global mindset.

            Gaya ng sinabi ko, maraming trabaho, kaunti ang qualified. I can even suggest a system that can make everybody in this forum a few hundred thousand pesos wealthier in less than a year. Prepare your hard work, determination, and sense of unity, and I’ll give you the system.

            Mas mabuti kung ikukumpara mo kung ilang ulit na malaki ang populasyon ng Tsina sa Pilipinas, at kung ilang ulit na mas mayaman ang may malaking populasyon kaysa sa atin na hindi maiikumpara sa dami ng tao nila.

      • rommel
        October 4, 2010 at 9:19 am | #330

        69, an pananaw mo ang iyong baguhin. humankind has the capability to adapt to any situation. ex. to enable urban areas like metro manila to accommodate more people and businesses, high rise buildings for business & settlements were introduced; ang susunod niyan underground constructions. New methods for food production were also introduced to triple the rate of production. Maglibot-libot ka nga sa Pilipinas kung gusto mo makita ang paglawak-lawak ng mga lupaing bakante at nakatiwangwag. Isa pa, pano magkaover population sa Pinas gayong milyong mga Pinoy nasa ibang bansa? Supplier po tayo ng humanpower sa halos lahat ng bansa. Marami na nga rin naging citizens na ng mayayamang bansa, baka nga isa ka na roon. Anong maraming pagsisilbihan? Ikaw ba si Juan Tamad? Kahit nga bulag, kaya ng Pinoy magkomponi ng appliances; yong putol ang kamay kayang mag-painting gamit paa o bunganga o magpalipad ng eroplano gamit ang mga paa. Kaya ikaw ang magbago ng pananaw.

    • malou
      April 22, 2011 at 2:49 am | #331

      did you guys know why China has a one child policy rule? tinuro ito dati sa school, at least sa school namin. and kung ichecheck nyo lang sa internet kung bakit sila nagpatupad ng one child policy, eh para umunlad naman ang bansa nila. lubog sa kahirapan and anak ren ng anak sa china nuong panahong mahirap na mahirap na mahirap sila. malaki ang lupain ng china, pero kailangan pa ren nilang icontrol yung population nila.

      do you guys know na pag buntis nanaman yung babae para sa ikalawang anak (or ikatlong anak kung may lalaki na silang anak), eh kahit 5 months na yung nasasinapupunan eh tuturukan nila ng gamot para malaglag yung baby… ganun sila kalupit. ganun sila magpatupad ng batas, para sa ikabubuti ng lahat.

      pero hindi naman ganyan ang gustong mangyari ng RH bill. hindi ganun katindi ang pilipinas magpatupad ng batas. nakakatakot na ata yung sa china.

      so hindi ko maintindihan, kung bakit ang daming anti-RH bill. masyadong magaling mag english mga nagcocomment, di ko masyado maintindihan so need ko pa isearch sa google yung meaning ng ibang word. bakit hindi nyo subukang maglakad sa paligid nyo, subukan nyong dalasan ang pagdaan sa squatters area. makikita nyo, ang tatamad ng mga squatters, ang daming anak, ang tamad talaga. hindi sila nakakaawa, kasi ang tamad talaga nila sobra. tambay lang… yung mga lalaki kung may work, tuwing week ends eh inuman so nawawala yung suweldo nila.

      tamad + squatters + maraming anak

      parami sila ng parami. kahit anung bansa pa, di kakayaning solusiyonan ang problema ng kahirapan. kung hindi titino ang mga squatters, paano sila mababawasan.

      turuan sila ng family planning para naman sila anak ng anak. kaso, iaapply kaya nila????

  28. October 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm | #332

    Jose :
    Premarital is not immoral. It is immoral because that is what the Church wants you to say.

    Wrong. It’s not the Church who determines which is right and which is wrong. Your teacher did not taught you that 1+1 is 2 just because he/she wants it to be the answer. Truth is objective and nobody can change it. The Church is a teacher and she relays (not determines) the truth. It is Jesus who says that fornication violates God. Well, I think you’re not a Christian that is why you don’t know it, but you should know better when it comes to respect, simply because you are human. You don’t want your wife or daughter or mother being used by other people (multiple in number, if sex outside of marriage is not wrong) for their selfish carnal pleasure. If premarital sex is fine, then extramarital and promiscuity is fine. If promiscuity is fine, then pornography is fine. If pornography is fine, the sex education with practical exams (e.g. petting, necking, intercourse, same-sex, and even pervert sexual acts) are fine. It would also follow that incest is fine, that child abuse is fine, and rape is fine. It’s ringing a bell. Doesn’t it the one being promoted by Planned Parenthood Federation — “Sexual Freedom”?

    Now, is it just the Church? You say that premarital sex is not immoral because that is what you want it to be. Sorry, but it can’t be.

    • Darm
      October 1, 2010 at 6:03 pm | #333

      True. Even for me I’m not Christian I highly disapprove of premarital sex. But for me, it might not be the best way for God-fearing people, this could actually be one way for us to stop over-population. Why? Because being preached about it is not enough and I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t follow all what the Church says. The RH bill for me is one way to stop over-population and most people would actually follow it. So unless the church could do anything better to actually help stop that problem I would actually support it.

      • click
        October 2, 2010 at 2:51 pm | #334

        So does that mean we are Pro Premarital sex now. Imagine raising a teen, specially a teen girl, your giving her advices about life, about boys and then this bill is already passed.

        TAYAY : anak pipiliin mo yung lalaking
        makakasama mo sa buhay ha,
        ipakilala mo yung mga nanliligaw
        sayo. Hwag maglilihim kay tatay,
        maraming lalaki jan katawan lang
        habol sa babae,piliin mo yung
        responsable
        etc..

        then in the middle of his father’s advice, guidance.. this pops into her mind.

        ANAK : ( Ok lang nagtatake naman ako ng pills eh.. party party :)) )

        Then whats the essense of good parenting, anong saysay ng pagpapamilya, magpapalaki ka ng anak mo d ka sinusunod, biologicallly related lang kayo pero anong saysay non??!!! Hindi lahat ng anak magiging mabait kahit ulanin mo ng payo, kaya nga hindi natin kailangnan ng mga bagay na makakadagdag pa sa pagpapahirap sa pagpapalaki sa kanila.

        yan ba gusto nyong manahin sa administrasyong to, those law makers just come and go, but the laws the make ang hirap buwagin nyan.. when you realized its not worth it, ang hirap na lalo na kung may mga nakikinabang na sa budget.

        you treating that thing called “morality” as if were just a pile of garbage that nids to be thrown, YAN ANG NAGPALAYA SA PILIPINAS FROM DICTATORSHIP!

        • Darm
          October 8, 2010 at 12:25 pm | #335

          We’re you replying to what I said? If you we’re, then I say that I already said that I dissapprove of premarital sex but I have to agree on using contraseptives. I agree with your statement but not all people, even the educated, have morals and as long as people aren’t allowed to use something that could prevent accidents/unwanted children who would’nt even be raised with morals. It’s not about morals because I believe if we all have “good” morals we wouldn’t be having this crisis. And once again if we all have good morals we wouldn’t have to implement this law.

      • rommel
        October 4, 2010 at 8:13 am | #336

        The most effective method is abstinence, which the Church teaches consistently even before we were born. If you do not want to have children, don’t have sex. Difficult? That’s because you believe that sex is an ESSENTIAL need like food and water. But the truth is, you can live a long life without having sex. Sex, though is needed by humanity for the continuity of its survival. Australia & Canada are just some of the developed countries encouraging inflow of productive & skill people of our nationalities as permanent residents to replenish their aging and dying population.

        • johny
          October 4, 2010 at 4:12 pm | #337

          hay nako… sa mga impotent lang yan.

    • johny
      October 4, 2010 at 4:14 pm | #338

      tamaaaaaaaaaaaa….. besides the meaning of the word morality, ay magiging depende kong sino anf pinaninilawalan mong philisopher hahahaha

    • skyjet
      November 21, 2010 at 5:42 pm | #339

      Premarital is immoral, not because that’s the church want you to say but because sex is a sacred thing. If sex is a sacred thing, then you must have an authority to do it, then the authority is given through MARRIAGE. Just like driving, you cannot drive unless you have an authority to drive, you cannot be a driver unless you have a license. You have to be processed before you do a big thing!!!

  29. Van
    October 1, 2010 at 2:52 pm | #340

    Put down Edcel Lagman who is the proponent of RH Bill 96.

  30. Neigyl R. Noval
    October 2, 2010 at 12:04 am | #341

    I have a little scenario:

    Suppose that RH Bill becomes a law. Imagine when a 17 year old boy buys condom to have sex with his girlfriend. (Of course this is not against the law right? And pre-marital and non-marital sex is also not against the law. And remember that condoms become ESSENTIAL MEDICINES). That boy loves the feeling and buys more to do more until he become addicted to it. Suppose they do it three times a week or more and their parents are not aware of it.

    Without moral values or whatever, here are my questions:
    1. In your opinion, is it okay for the boy to become addicted with sex knowing that the girl will not get pregnant?

    2. Are there no viral complications on both the girl and the boy?

    3. What will happen when their is an accident that the condom fails to perform its function?

    Please see post # 24 for more details… Thank you.

    • October 2, 2010 at 9:40 pm | #342

      Mr. Neigyl, the way I interpret your given scenario is that…

      “If the RH Bill is passed, then, the church and parents will no longer teach their children good moral values and just let them buy contraceptives, and that they are choosing the MFP than NFP, but are we just bound to that choice given in the Bill?”

      It’s like,
      (1) don’t let your children use the internet because they might visit some porn site if they are alone
      (2) don’t let your child(girl or boy) be friends with its opposite sex because it is possible that they may have an intimate relationship and end up in sex
      (3) don’t attend the church mass because there are some priest who are involve in sex/corruption scandals and they might influence your children.

      So what I am trying to say is, God has given us heart and mind to choose for what is right and what is wrong and to balance things. If God is in your heart, then given any information and choices, you will choose what is highly right, morally and spiritually.

      I totally disagree with your comment, sorry.

      • click
        October 3, 2010 at 3:44 am | #343

        Mr. Neigyl I think that what you should worry about is that:

        Will that 17 yr-old boy addicted to sex that buys condom for protection will be a GOOD PARENT in the future!?

        and if he becomes a parent what kind of upbringing can this 17- yr old addicted to sex do.?

        without any moral value issues

      • Neigyl R. Noval
        October 7, 2010 at 10:25 pm | #345

        webista :
        Mr. Neigyl, the way I interpret your given scenario is that…
        “If the RH Bill is passed, then, the church and parents will no longer teach their children good moral values and just let them buy contraceptives, and that they are choosing the MFP than NFP, but are we just bound to that choice given in the Bill?”

        –> We are not only bounded of the decision. However, the bill is leading to that. See?? Contraceptives are made as Essential Medicines (Section 10). We can decide when and how often to have sex (Section 4c). It made us approach to the boundaries of certain illness that contraceptives can give to ones health. Take note, i do not consider moral values here.

        webista :

        It’s like,
        (1) don’t let your children use the internet because they might visit some porn site if they are alone
        (2) don’t let your child(girl or boy) be friends with its opposite sex because it is possible that they may have an intimate relationship and end up in sex
        (3) don’t attend the church mass because there are some priest who are involve in sex/corruption scandals and they might influence your children.

        –> There is nothing wrong with that because everyone seems to be doing it (1), and it is normal to be attracted to the opposite sex; abnormal otherwise (2). What is not wrong is its application to it at the wrong time, which is obviously the worst effect of this bill.

        webista :

        So what I am trying to say is, God has given us heart and mind to choose for what is right and what is wrong and to balance things. If God is in your heart, then given any information and choices, you will choose what is highly right, morally and spiritually.
        I totally disagree with your comment, sorry.

        –> Considering moral values. God indeed give us wisdom. But Satan is also giving us confusions. It depends on where one is to decide. The probability density of one to be influenced by the bad effects of this bill is high. I am not saying that the bill is bad at all, there are good things in it. See my post #66 (plus minus) for a thorough explanation of this bill.

        Thank you.

    • malou
      April 22, 2011 at 3:01 am | #346

      you know what? with or without condom, the boy would get addicted to sex with the scenario you had given.

      and to tell you, mas gusto ng tao ang walang condom. mas nakakaaddict ang walang condom.

      kung makikipag sex sya 3 or more times a week, may condom or wala, gagawin nya iyon. kaya nga ang daming nabubuntis kasi hindi nila alam na mabubuntis sila sa isang ganunan lang. and ang daming guys na hindi nila sukat akalaing mabubuntis yung girl.

    • alive
      May 3, 2011 at 3:30 pm | #347

      Mr. Neigyl, it is better to use condom for a boy age 17 years old than using nothing! ikaw ba naman makabuntis sa murang edad.

  31. madsen
    October 2, 2010 at 4:11 am | #348

    correlation does not mean causation. some people here tend to quickly roll down the slippery slope. and some even think of the extremes. imo, if the bill doesnt get passed there will still be people who will opt to use contraceptives, and if the bill does get passed, there will be people who will prefer natural intercourse.

    • arowen
      October 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm | #349

      of all the comments, i liked madsen’s the most. there are people who tend to think of the extremes.

      anyway, here are some of my points:

      1. i believe that the country’s growing population is a problem that must be resolved. our land area is not growing, in fact it may even decrease, so if birth rate grows faster than the death rate, there will come a time when our land mass would not be enough to accommodate everybody. but population is not the only problem. we also need to promote sustainable consumption of our resources. even if there were only a thousand Filipinos in this country but they consume the resources faster than they can replenish it, resources will eventually be depleted.

      2. is pre-marital sex really wrong? and if it is, what makes it wrong? is it because sex is made only for procreation? does this mean married couples who don’t want to have children don’t have sex anymore? i think sex is an act of love. it strengthens relationships. if you do it only with the person you love, there’s no problem with it. and getting addicted to sex is relative. having sex frequently doesn’t mean you’re already addicted to it.

      3. foremost, education is the key to solving the population boom. people must be made aware that sex is not only an emotional act but also biological. and it has social implications, not only within oneself, one’s family, one’s community, but the entire country. the youth are not the only ones who need to be educated. parents should also be taught how to teach their children about reproductive health. you cannot just say something is immoral or wrong, children nowadays are very witty and inquisitive. you have to prove to them why something is immoral or wrong. of course, moral education care of the church and its allies is still indispensable. but we need more than that, we need allowances and restrictions from outside (as opposed to allowances and restrictions guided by our conscience/morality) to guide our actions. If we need a policy to prevent people from throwing trash on the streets because of lack of discipline, what’s wrong with that?

      side notes: of course, pornography will not be shown in class. that’s an exaggeration. teachers teach based on a curriculum. children can have better access to pornography in homes (such as through the internet) and DVD stores than in schools.

      and please, don’t refer to this country as a catholic country (or something to that effect). a country heavily grounded on spiritual beliefs may be more proper. spirituality is not defined by religion.

      4. to continue my point in #3, with education comes an awareness of methods that can be used to prevent pregnancy. so this bill can actually increase access to such methods. it’s true, the bill is lacking in promoting natural methods. and i agree that it should not classify contraceptives under the category of essential medicines. that puts them at par with basic goods such as meat and poultry, canned goods, rice, fish, bread, etc. (see Price Act). however, classifying it under essential medicines has its benefits, too. it means that the government will have to regularly monitor the costs of these contraceptives and work to keep their costs at reasonable levels. it offers consumers protection against profiteering and cartel.

    • Neigyl R. Noval
      October 2, 2010 at 8:09 pm | #350

      madsen :
      if the bill doesnt get passed there will still be people who will opt to use contraceptives…

      –> How much more when the bill becomes a law and the contraceptives become ESSENTIAL MEDICINES (sold famously on pharmacies)? Many people will use more of contraceptives.

      madsen :
      if the bill does get passed, there will be people who will prefer natural intercourse.

      –> How is this possible when contraceptives are suggested and required to Filipinos (Contraceptives as ESSEMTIAL MEDICINES)?

      • kyowa
        November 2, 2010 at 11:10 am | #351

        in case you didn’t know. some contraceptives are ACTUALLY used as medicines. for women with polycystic ovaries, they actually need pills to be treated. if they stop taking pills, they develop cysts. just because people use pills, doesn’t mean they’re all for it. if it’s their health on the line then why not.

        I respect your opinion but I think you may be a bit rash. I’m still unresolved about this bill but whether we like it or not, there are people who will ACTUALLY benefit from this in a good way. My 2 cents. :)

      • passerby
        May 15, 2011 at 12:49 am | #352

        You concluded outrightly Mr. Noval. Essential doesn’t equate to ‘required’. Like what the bill is pushing, everything that happens after people are informed of all the possible choices of family planning and responsible parenthood, is entirely up to the people themselves. They can choose natural or artificial methods. Some people, like you maybe, who don’t like artificial methods, can opt not to use them.

  32. Yuri_Diculous
    October 2, 2010 at 11:08 pm | #353

    MORALITY NA ANG KAILANGANG PAG-USAPAN!
    Hindi kung ano mang batas na magpapayaman ng bansa,
    o magpapaganda ng buhay!

    MORALITY is NOT an OPTION !!!
    IT is NECESSARY.

    • October 5, 2010 at 12:46 pm | #354

      they are just wanting to have sex with anyone they will like. that’s why they are not denying RH-bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  33. click
    October 3, 2010 at 2:47 pm | #355

    Pls if you really hate the Catholic Church that much dont use this.

    There are much important Projects that nids this budget, like EDUCATION.

    We cant go to school without money, allowances, thats why we nid to give our focus on Education. making it more possible for poor students to go to schools. more Scholarships.

    On the other hand we can just disciplne those irresponsible people that treat sex like dinner to stop and imposing humane laws, have a background check on how many child they can make,then if they become wealthy enough to support many kids in the future, then probably another justification should be made. Some will say its not humane, to take away your freedom of choosing how many child you should raise. But what is more humane, this how-many-child-I-can-bear policy or preventing that life to live inside you.? just a question.

    and another thing, bka kasi maabuso lang to ng mga religious group na nanghikayat at nagpaparami ng kasapi, kapatid. Pwede kasi magamit ng magagandang members ung pills pra d mabuntis,pagnagkagirlfriend ka syempre sasabihin sayo non, “bawal ako makipagrelasyon sa d ko kaparehas ng religion” ikaw syempre dami nyo ng nagwa,nagppremarital sex narin kayo, syempre inlove un,:)) , tapos mo magpaconvert pano kung iniwan ka. :))

    • passerby
      May 15, 2011 at 12:58 am | #356

      Tell me, how do you discipline sex-crazed let alone adults? I think providing them information about responsible parenthood and family planning is a more viable option than having to visit every house in the Philippines and evaluating everyone whether they can support their children or not. And having to evaluate families and telling them to stop producing children violates their freedom. Why not empower them by giving them the freedom to make informed choices on their own?

  34. anonie
    October 3, 2010 at 8:23 pm | #357

    screw the church. those knuckleheads have gone too far in controlling the world. i’d say support this bill, don’t give those darth vader wannabes a chance to control the philippines

  35. jenette
    October 3, 2010 at 8:32 pm | #358

    the RH Bill empowering women to make the right choice and decisions in family planning…it should go hand in hand with DISCIPLINE in terms of sex…specially young couples….through education and health information drive to teenagers…at school and home…and we wish that PARENTS nowadays will be responsible enough in terms of educating their kids…we teachers do teach kids the consequences and encourage them to prioritize their studies…we wish also that parents wud do the same to find tym in guiding their children…:) its really up to the FAMILY the basic foundation of the society whether to choose natural or artificial method of family planning…we hope that the responsible parenthood wud be given the utmost priority:)

    • October 4, 2010 at 8:03 pm | #359

      It’s like saying, “Hand those kids a handful of candies and educate them that candies are not good.”

  36. rommel
    October 4, 2010 at 7:53 am | #360

    andy bandag :
    since marcos time, contraceptives were already in use, did population decline? from city to far flung areas, almost in every corner of the Philippine archipelago, couples, fornicators, adulterers if not all but almost all been using these trashes, did population again declined? and what we got? sex starve generation, uncontrolled sexual urges and it is because of the luck of discipline regarding sexuality, because instead of educating people, the government offer them condoms, pills etc.

    Responsible sex and parenthood education is the key to a a sustainable human development–a better society–not these condoms, pills, etc.

    • johny
      October 4, 2010 at 4:18 pm | #361

      tamaaaaaaaaaaaaa…………

  37. goodlucktummy
    October 4, 2010 at 10:16 am | #362

    they’re practically handing out condoms/contraceptives like candy. given the power and nature human sexual urges, why would anyone want to do natural family planning methods that take time as opposed to contraceptives that can provide instant gratification?

    the bill is supposed to empower women and it does on many levels, but i think a possible adverse effect could be abusive men who might run amok (with free condoms in hand) and “sow their seed” without having to face the consequences.

    • Neigyl R. Noval
      October 7, 2010 at 10:50 pm | #363

      goodlucktummy :
      they’re practically handing out condoms/contraceptives like candy. given the power and nature human sexual urges, why would anyone want to do natural family planning methods that take time as opposed to contraceptives that can provide instant gratification?
      the bill is supposed to empower women and it does on many levels, but i think a possible adverse effect could be abusive men who might run amok (with free condoms in hand) and “sow their seed” without having to face the consequences.

      –> I thank you for having seen the effect of this Bill. That is indeed one of the important points to consider here. I guess Filipinos have increased their level of “horniness” or sexual urge, that is why the government have blindly created this bill.

      (1) There will be more of the Filipinos’ sexual urge since contraceptives are now on retail at available price and is considered as “ESSENTIAL MEDICINES”. Having said that and considering the worst effect of contraceptives and sex on young couples, there will be more Filipinos who can no longer think logically and critically, do work efficiently, and everyone is bounded on this essential medicine.

  38. jlocute
    October 4, 2010 at 10:28 am | #364

    I am a Catholic, and I stand by the Church decision!! I am sad that many other Catholics are opposing against it. Many are Catholic by name and doesn’t understand and work to deepen its faith. We must support our Church; it knows what’s good and bad, for it is from God. If it is from God, then who are attacking it? Satan, the enemy. He only wants to ruin our soul and help us to offend God more thru his wise tactics that many are not aware. He often mixed good with bad and truth with false to confuse us. Exactly as what this RH bill is.

    He said “I Pretend to love men, in order to destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin them and deceive them; help them, in order to pervert them and draw them into these my hellish regions”. Exactly, this RH bill is one of his ways.

    It is indeed true that words of Jesus from visionaries and mystics are happening right now “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been destroyed”
    Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his control and power.

    We will be accountable to God on everything that we do. Do not judge especially our priests and even more the bishops. Jesus said to Gloria Polo, “Who did you think you were making yourself God and judging my anointed? They are human, and the holiness of a priest is built by his community, that prays, loves, and supports him. When a priest sins his community is questioned, not him.” Jesus showed her how the many demons were attached to her when she do it.

    John 8:7 “He that is without sin among you, let him cast first a stone”.

    Our Church is from God, it is the only one left that’s opposing to the attack of the evil right now. Nobody is opposing but only the Catholic Church! Many had gone to the other side embracing the enemy in attacking the Church and its children. Be careful my friend, these are signs of end times.

  39. nonsequitur
    October 4, 2010 at 10:34 am | #365

    This bill even if passed can easily be striked out as unconstitutional. If the Catholic Church and other religions who are against the bill will get a good lawyer, they can win this in court.

    • October 4, 2010 at 8:11 pm | #366

      Wrong. History doesn’t tell us that. In the Philippines alone, there are executive orders that are unconstitutional, but the issues have just gone with the previous government.

      Abortion is unconstitutional according to the real sense of the United States’ Constitution, but since Roe v Wade, did the protesters win? A big NO. Abortion is still legal, and is actually being promoted by the Obama administration, but ironically, it is unconstitutional.

      The Catholic Church have the best lawyers, but it does not mean they will win inside the court once this proposal became a law. It’s not as simple as you think it is.

      • mocha_pandan
        October 5, 2010 at 8:46 am | #367

        The Church is the mystical body of Christ, he already revealed that the Catholic is its bride. The only one opposing the evil. Many of Gods children support now the enemy. “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been destroyed”

        • urak
          October 5, 2010 at 1:08 pm | #368

          Well, interesting post but where in the bible are you basing your statement?

          • jlocute
            October 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm | #369

            I already told that not are all in the Bible, there are many revelations to saints, visionaries and mystics of our times. There are apparitions of the Blessed Mother Mary. All of these are messages for all of us. Isn’t it that all that writes the Bible are the same? They are people whom God chooses to carry His Divine messages. God continues to intervene on our time today “I will be with you till the end of time”.
            The Bible is not the end of God’s messages.

          • October 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm | #370

            If you know the Bible, you’ll see.

  40. October 4, 2010 at 10:39 am | #371

    ,,i agree with president noy,
    cause i know it will help a lot.
    our coutry is already in top 12 to the top 15 most populated coutry…
    imagine????
    there are so many countries in the world,
    and were in 12th????
    oh come on..
    lets support him…

    • Neigyl R. Noval
      October 7, 2010 at 11:00 pm | #372

      giesaril tabunaway :
      ,,i agree with president noy,
      cause i know it will help a lot.
      our coutry is already in top 12 to the top 15 most populated coutry…
      imagine????
      there are so many countries in the world,
      and were in 12th????
      oh come on..

      lets support him…

      RH Bill is not only the solution to this problem. I would like you to see the common aspect and traditions that Filipinos are usually doing:

      (1) “Bahala na siya. Hindi naman ako ang madadamay.”
      (2) “Ok lang yun, wala namang nakakita eh.”
      (3) Pagtapon sa basura kahit saan habang sumasakay ng jeepney.
      (4) “Ok nayan. 3.0 / 75 lang naman ang hiningi ng gobyerno natin eh”.
      (5) “Eto na yung isang daang libong piso. Iboto mo ako.”

      I hope you get the point.

      Again, this bill is not the only way to control the population in the Philippines. There are many different ways.

      Some few suggestions would be:

      (1)
      Increase the literacy rates of Filipino people (in whatever way) so they can find jobs and get busy to work. In that way, they are not prone to private places where few gets horny and do their stuff there.

      (2)
      Encourage all young Filipinos to study hard and do their best on their studies so they may be successful in their carrier. Though related to number (1), this suggestion pertains to more Qualitive education and not just Quantitative education (where you graduated college and learned less). It is obvious that money is the problem. Their are many good ways to gain financial aid though with the help of God.

      (3)
      Encourage everyone to be religious not in words but in deeds, like visiting orphanages and the like.

      If you don’t get why the points above will solve the population in the Philippines, then you have a problem.

      God bless us all.

  41. ronnie buray
    October 4, 2010 at 2:35 pm | #373

    The church is the bride of Christ.I personally submit to Her wisdom in terms of moral teachings.Overpopulation? Well,blame it to God if you dare.Gagawa Siya ng mundo only to be overpopulated? Congrats nga sa mga author ng RH bill.Mga theologians na pala sila. Why dont you focus on solving corruption? Diyan lang mahihirapan na kayo. About comprehensive land reform? Ang daming farmers na walang lupa, diyan kayo mag focus.

    g

    • jur
      October 5, 2010 at 12:28 am | #374

      Maybe the bride isn’t THE ROMAN CATHOLIC church.
      Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Moreover, the RH bill isn’t forcing anyone.
      It’s giving us a choice!
      Overpopulation is a serious issue.

      Maybe you should take into account that it’s about our fellow citizens!
      If I apply the same philosophy, then “Gagawa ba siya ng mundo only to have people kill each other and die of global warming!”

      Faith is useless without action.
      They can deal with those fucked up officials later.

      You have no idea how many are dying of hunger as you sit on your computer taking out ignorant claims about YOUR faith.

      Maybe there’s something wrong with it!

      • jlocute
        October 5, 2010 at 10:43 am | #375

        The Catholic Church is the only one standing and opposing against the attack of His enemy, SATAN! While most of his children embraced and joined the enemy in persecuting her (the Church).

        “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been destroyed”
        Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his control and power.

        • urak
          October 7, 2010 at 1:35 pm | #376

          Or the catholic church is the tool of satan – to bring misery, hunger and poverty to the people?

          • jlocute
            October 7, 2010 at 1:46 pm | #377

            Study yourself if you are not being used by Satan in your judgment. The demons are applauding with your statement. Please ask the Holy Spirit for the gifts of discernment.

          • jlocute
            October 7, 2010 at 2:01 pm | #378

            Many has already presented to you the evilness of this bill and it seems that you do not are not open. Do you really pray and asks God for enlightenment of this issue. How sincere and whole-hearted is that then? or you not? Many eyes do not see and ears that really can’t hear. Its simply, when good and bad are mixed, then, it is not good!! Its from Satan who mixed things to confuse. He hides my friend. Asks God for gifts to discover Him.

      • Neigyl R. Noval
        October 7, 2010 at 11:16 pm | #379

        jur :
        Maybe the bride isn’t THE ROMAN CATHOLIC church.
        Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about.

        –> The word bride here is only a symbol or a figurative word. Don’t take this literary.

        jur :
        Moreover, the RH bill isn’t forcing anyone.
        It’s giving us a choice!
        Overpopulation is a serious issue.
        Maybe you should take into account that it’s about our fellow citizens!

        –> The RH bill indeed is not forcing anyone. But it is influencing everyone of what is actually wrong — that is pre-marital sex, fornication, etc.

        jur :

        If I apply the same philosophy, then “Gagawa ba siya ng mundo only to have people kill each other and die of global warming!”

        How sure are you on this statement? God is there. Satan is also there. God has giving us free will because we are humans. Satan has took advantage of that free will and that is how many people accept the invitation of Satan.

        jur :

        Faith is useless without action.
        They can deal with those fucked up officials later.
        You have no idea how many are dying of hunger as you sit on your computer taking out ignorant claims about YOUR faith.
        Maybe there’s something wrong with it!

        –> Many have died of hunger because they are too lazy to work, to study, and to earn money. See those who are poor and successful people. Many have asked God for help yet they do no work. That is also one of the problem.

  42. wiz
    October 4, 2010 at 3:05 pm | #380

    inAAA :Why do you all think that this bill is mere CONTRACEPTION? It educates people too, guys.

    Education for responsible parenthood is not new. I agree with what others said that the access to contraceptives has been available a long long time ago in any convenient stores. Even ligation and vasectomy is already being practiced in our country even before I was born. 15 years ago, teenagers including me were involved in natural family planning supported by the church every week educating parents and teens for responsible parenthood. I use that information now that I am married. Gladly my husband & I have the same convictions. We practice abstinence and sacrifice so its something that can be done in reality. The RH bill have good points in educating couples and teens but like what I said this has been an old practice in schools and our barangays. For some of you who doesn’t know, the U.S. which was specifically detailed by H.Clinton has a budget for helping the 3rd world finance the family planning education with promotion of contraception as one of the means and that I believe what our government is after. The “budget” overflowing from the USofA which lights up a question: who will really benefit? maybe a small portion of people but the majority of the budget will be in the hands of corrupt animals i mean officials. So, going back to RH bill, is this really necessary in our society? or just another for wealth source of our poor and hungry politicians.

  43. johny
    October 4, 2010 at 4:04 pm | #381

    if o were president noynoy ” sige hinde ko a approbahan ang bill na to, pagbibigyan ko ang mga simbahan, lalo na ang katoliko…… pero isa lang hehelengen ko, dapat WALANG BAYAD ANG PAGPAPABINYAG, PAGPAPAKASAL, PA MESA SA PATAY” …

    yes life is for everyone… but what kind of life is it ba? katolad ba ng life ko na halos isang beses lang kumaen isang araw, katolad ba ng life ng mga pamangkin ko na hangang ngayon wala pang mga pangalan dahil anf mahal mahal magpabenyag?

    sa mga katolad kong maherap, let’s get REAL sa mga may kaya… sige maging MAKADIYOS kayo. ng papunta kayo sa langit!!!!

    • October 4, 2010 at 8:31 pm | #382

      Maaring mahirap ka at walang makain pero walang kinalaman ang Simbahan sa paghihirap mo. Wala ka bang kakayahan magtrabaho? Kung meron, ang tanong e bakit wala ka halos makain? Ang pagbibigay ng kabuhayan ay tungkulin ng pamahalaan. Humingi ka ba ng tulong? At nung wala kang makain, lumapit ka ba sa Simbahan para sabihin ang sitwasyon mo? Tinanggihan ka ba ng iyong Kura? Ang nangangaral ng Ebanghelyo ay may karapatang kumuha ng ikabubuhay niya dito. Yan ang turo ni San Pablo, dalawang libong taon na ang nakakalipas, at mananatili yan totoo hanggat may mundo.

      Tungkol sa mga pamangkin mo, civil registrar ang kailangan nila para magkaroon ng pangalan, hindi Simbahan. At kung binyag ang pag-uusapan, hindi binabayaran at hindi mababayaran ang binyag. May facilities na ginagamit sa pagdiriwang ng binyag. Nagbabayad din ng kuryente ang parokya, hindi sila libre sa Meralco. Ngayon, kung hindi mabinyagan ang mga pamangkin mo dahil sa kawalan ng pera, hindi na yun tama. May ginawa na ba ang mga magulang niya? Sinasabi rin sa akin noon na hindi ka pwedeng magpakasal nang P15,000 lang ang pera mo. Isang taon namin pinagtatalunan yan ng mga kamag-anak ko, pero hindi sila nanalo. Nagpakasal ako na P500 lang ang pera ko. Mas mahal pa nagastos sa simpleng handaan. Actually, may kakilala pa nga ako na mag-asawang hindi gumastos ng kahit ano sa Simbahan (hindi mass wedding, sila lang talaga). Akala kasi natin e kilala natin ang hinahatulan natin, pero ang totoo, wala tayong alam dito.

      Sige, ipasa halimbawa ang RH Bill, nasan naman ang pondo para sa edukasyon, para sa livelihood, para sa ibang mga pangangailangan ng mamamayan. Gagawin essential medecine ang contraceptives, e ultimo over-the-counter medicine, nauubusan ang mga health center. Papayag ka ba na contraceptive pills ang ibigay sa iyo pag linalagnat ka? Okay lang ba kung pakainin ng gobyerno ng condom ang pamilya pag gutom na gutom na kayo dahil yun lang ang pinagamitan ng pera?

      Nararanasan din namin ang hindi kumain, pero hindi kami papayag na samantalahin ng mga ipokritong politiko ang gutom namin para linlangin kami at sabihin ito at iyan ang kailangan namin. Ikabubuhay ang kailangan ng mga Filipino, hindi ikamamatay ng mga bata at mga ina.

    • Neigyl R. Noval
      October 7, 2010 at 11:24 pm | #383

      johny :
      if o were president noynoy ” sige hinde ko a approbahan ang bill na to, pagbibigyan ko ang mga simbahan, lalo na ang katoliko…… pero isa lang hehelengen ko, dapat WALANG BAYAD ANG PAGPAPABINYAG, PAGPAPAKASAL, PA MESA SA PATAY” …

      – Please be mature enough my dear friend. How can the church sustain the needs of their priest, nuns, etc, when people will not give (or donate) them money? That is the reason why donations are always there on the church. That is the reason why weddings, funerals, baptism needs finance because the priests, nuns, etc also have their own needs like food, etc, excluding their projects.

      johny :
      yes life is for everyone… but what kind of life is it ba? katolad ba ng life ko na halos isang beses lang kumaen isang araw, katolad ba ng life ng mga pamangkin ko na hangang ngayon wala pang mga pangalan dahil anf mahal mahal magpabenyag?
      sa mga katolad kong maherap, let’s get REAL sa mga may kaya… sige maging MAKADIYOS kayo. ng papunta kayo sa langit!!!!

      You should do more hardwork. Ask everyone for help. God bless you.

    • John
      May 20, 2011 at 1:18 pm | #384

      hindi mahal magpabinyag, magpakasal at magpamisa sa patay, sa totoo lang walang bayad yun, nanghihingi lang ng donasyon ang simbahan of any amount dahil hindi naman makakasurvive ang simbahan kung walang pantustos sa gastusin. uulitin ko, “DONASYON OF ANY AMOUNT” kaya lang nagiging “mahal” yun para sa iba dahil gusto nila enggrande ang lahat, eh puwede ba namang maglagay ang simbahan ng mga dekorasyon at pampaenggrande na hindi nanghihingi ng bayad, ano gagastusin nila para dun sa mga pampaenggrande na gusto niyong iavail? pero kung yung sacramento lang, kasal, binyag, misa sa patay, etc., ang habol n’yo, maibibigay ng simbahan yun ng libre. naintindihan mo na? siguraduhin muna kasi na alam yung sinasabi bago magkomento.

  44. October 4, 2010 at 9:15 pm | #385

    a significant number of catholics support RH Bill 5043, even slightly higher than non-catholics.

    • October 5, 2010 at 4:19 pm | #386

      First question: have you seen the questionnaire and has it been proven to be not “leading”? Second: is SWS an honest organization without bias on reproductive propaganda? Better ask Kit Tatad. He personally knows the man behind it. Third: are all “Catholics” Catholic? Are you?

      To classify this issue by religion is senseless.

  45. jur
    October 5, 2010 at 12:18 am | #387

    Then what does the church propose to do in case the RH bill is left unsigned.
    Feed everyone with two loaves and a fish?

    Why don’t you guys do a background check on the Catholic church?
    It’s full of bullshit.

    • jlocute
      October 5, 2010 at 10:13 am | #388

      We will be accountable to God on everything that we do. Do not judge especially our priests and even more the bishops as God will judge you more severely. Jesus said to Gloria Polo, “Who did you think you were making yourself God and judging my anointed? They are human, and the holiness of a priest is built by his community, that prays, loves, and supports him. When a priest sins his community is questioned, not him.” Jesus showed her how the many demons were attached to her when she do it.

      Be careful my friend.

      It is indeed true that words of Jesus from visionaries and mystics are happening right now “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been destroyed”
      Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his control and power.

      • jur
        October 5, 2010 at 10:09 pm | #389

        How sure are you that THAT “church” is the Catholic church.

        Luke 6:43
        “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.”

        Over the past ten centuries, what kind of fruit have they produced?

        Matthew 24: 11-14

        “Many false prophets will appear and fool many people; and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered.”

        DO YOU EVEN READ THE BIBLE??

        Ever noticed the Catholic church wants you to hear the gospel only 10 minutes every sunday, SUBJECTIVELY from the priest and NOT READ IT FOR YOURSELF???

        THINK

        • jlocute
          October 6, 2010 at 8:51 am | #390

          If I show you some verse in the Bible you will not believe even. Because certainly, there are eyes that cannot see and ears that cannot hear.
          Besides, the Bible is not the only basis of truth. Many religions based their beliefs only in the Bible, but what happen? Because the science of reason, there is a tendency to constitute human intelligence alone as the criterion of truth. With reasoning give birth to errors thru their own interpretations. As a result there are many Christian denominations and sects that are all professing their own truth. These errors are being propagated by false teachers, by renowned theologians who no longer teaching the truths of the Gospel, but pernicious heresies based on error and human reasoning. It is because of these teachings, the faith is lost and great apostasy is spread anywhere. Truly many false prophets will appear and don’t be deceived.

          Catholics has Sacred Scriptures “Bible” and “Sacred Traditions”. Aside from this, heaven continue to send messages for each of us appropriate for our times. There are saints, mystics, visionaries, the apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary, each giving divine messages and guidance for us. Remember the Bible are Good News or messages made by people God chose, the same as these people being used by God to send his messages appropriate for our time. Would you mean to say, God’s messages stopped when the Bible was made? Does heaven doesn’t intervene and help us now? No. As Jesus said “I will be with you, til the end of time”.

          It is true many will be lost as there are already Catholic which are not really Catholic as Satan tries to destroy the Church. Even some priests may have been lost as you read in some newspapers. But does it mean that because of these peoples the truth will be changed? NO.

          You may go on with what you believe and even encourage people to believe in you. You cant argue about the truth, you can distract yourself and others from the truth. But the truth still remains. When you die you will know the truth, as the truth is inescapable.

          We are out of topic now, you really try to discredit the Catholic Church. It’s the only one standing right now opposing the evil while many Gods children join and embrace the enemy in attacking its Church.

          • jur
            October 6, 2010 at 11:41 pm | #391

            “Besides, the Bible is not the only basis of truth. ”

            what else is? THE POPE??
            That man up there worshiped as a living holy being??
            Who’s the false prophet then?

            You cannot say that!
            Be careful with your words.

            The bible is the word of God.
            It may not contain every truth in the world, but as a Christian, your values should and always be in contrast with the bible.

            WE ARE NOT OUT OF TOPIC.

            The root of this confusion is caused by blurry and unstudied faith!

            TEST YOUR FAITH
            (P.S. I’m not testing God, but our faith)

            I am a devoted Christian and I’ve been challenging my faith my whole life.

            You should ask questions!
            You can’t just take things and let it be.
            That’s why God gave us brains,
            so that we can think.

            True faith always has every question answered clearly and doesn’t leave you questioning.

            i.e.,
            “Why do we pray to saints when we can pray to God?”

          • jur
            October 7, 2010 at 12:00 am | #392

            Mary didn’t go to heaven alive.
            The church “assumed” she did.
            That’s why it’s called the “Assumption of Mary”.

            Mary didn’t die a virgin.
            She obviously had sex with her spouse after giving birth to Jesus because he had brothers.

            • Wilberg
              October 7, 2010 at 2:10 am | #393

              I “assume” that you still understand the word respect, and that you can recognize that people join this thread because the issue is about reproductive health bill. I hope you are not “selfish enough” to just ignore that. It would be appreciated if you will not continue to post off-topic comments and make this thread unnecessarily long. You can show off your knowledge (whether they are right or wrong) in another forum where Catholic dogmas are the topic. I hope that I am not wrong with my first assumption.

            • jlocute
              October 7, 2010 at 10:10 am | #394

              Seek and you will find! Are you really seeking for truth, or just finding faults? others who have questions about Catholic belief too often make the mistake of going to the wrong place for the answers. Too often books written by religious incompetents are consulted. The result is incomplete and distorted information. The right place to go for information about Catholic belief — in fact the only place to go for complete and authoritative information — is the Catholic Church herself. As any detective will tell you, no investigation is quite so complete as an on-the-spot investigation.

        • October 6, 2010 at 9:23 am | #395

          “How sure are you that THAT “church” is the Catholic church.”

          It’s for you to find out. He who seeks finds. Are you seeking the truth within the Catholic Church or you’re just trying to find faults? Does the holiness of the Church make its members evil, or it is the obstinacy of the people that makes them more evil? If you want to prove that there is another church that is the real Church of Christ, then point it for us that we might be saved with you.

          “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.”

          Are we not all sinners? Isn’t sin a bad fruit? Are you without sin? If you have, do you imply that your church is not the true Church? If you claim to be without sin, you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you. Is Jesus not the Christ because he bore Judas? What I could say is that you don’t understand the passage that you are using.

          “Over the past ten centuries, what kind of fruit have they produced?”

          Saints. Recognition of innate human dignity and human rights. Hope. Courage. Meaning. Of course you are not seeing it because your eyes are for judging others. Are those eyes the fruit of your church?

          “Many false prophets will appear and fool many people; and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered.”

          The Catholic Church is not “many”; it is the one where many have appeared. Let me tell you who are many. How many Christian denominations has the world have? Many — very many! Although I am not saying that these denominations are false prophets, that is how you apply the word “many”. It can’t be possible or applicable to the one Catholic Church.

          “Ever noticed the Catholic church wants you to hear the gospel only 10 minutes every sunday, SUBJECTIVELY from the priest and NOT READ IT FOR YOURSELF???”

          That is a show of ignorance. Haven’t you noticed that the Church offers the Sacrifice everyday? Doesn’t it mean a proclamation of Gospel everyday? Do you hear the Gospel everyday inside your church? Better read the Dei Verbum then tell us again that the Church does not want its member to read the Bible frequently.

          And what does the word “subjectively” mean here? That the letters are changing when somebody else (the priest) read it for you? Is it not right that the pastor reads for the assembly? Or you’re suggesting that the assembly go at the front and read the Scripture one by one? Besides, the part of the priest in the readings of the passages is only the Gospel (ie. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John), everything else is read by laymen.

          Think.

        • John
          May 20, 2011 at 1:37 pm | #396

          @jur
          malamang hindi ka katoliko, pero may tanong ako sa’yo na hindi natin kukunin sa bible ang sagot, kindi sa ating mga sariling utak lang, kung meron man, I’m sure lahat meron nun, hindi lang lahat gumagamit. ok, lets begin, pag ang members ng iba’t ibang relihiyon tinanong mo kung saan nanggaling yung mga aral tungkol sa Diyos na nalalaman niya ngayon, siyempre ang itu2ro nya eh ang magulang nya o ang mga pastor ng relihiyon nila, at pag tinanong mo yung mga pastor na yun, ang isasagot nila eh sa bibliya o sa founder ng relihiyon nila, sino2x nga ba ang founder ng iba’t ibang relihiyon, c Felix Manalo, c Ely Soriano, etc., in short puro tao lang sila, eh ang katoliko, sino nagpasimula nito, sabihin nating ang mga pari, monsinyor, obispo, cardinal, santo papa, saan ba sila lahat nagmula, eh di sa unang santo papa na nagtatag nang katolikong simbahan, at sino ‘to, c St. Peter o San Pedro, at sino siya, siya ay apostol ng ating Panginoong Hesu’ Kristo, at hindi ko lang matandaan ang verse pero si Hesus mismo ang ngtatag ng katolikong simbahan through St. Peter, dahil sinabi Niya kay Peter, hindi man eksakto pero yan ung nilalaman nun “Peter, you are the rock, on which I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH” at si Hesus ang Panginoon, Siya ang Diyos… pag-isipan nyo ngayon kung sino ang FALSE PROPHET na binanggit sa bibliya, hmmm, hindi kaya yung mga pangkaraniwang tao na founder ng iba’t ibang relihiyon ngayon?hmmmm nagtatanong lang…

  46. urak
    October 5, 2010 at 6:59 am | #397

    Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using contraceptives or preventing the production of eggs and preventing the passage of sperm to the womb is a form of abortion!

    Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or imprisonment) by the roman catholic church because he insisted that the world is round and the planets moves around the sun. The church insisted the opposite.

    • jlocute
      October 5, 2010 at 10:34 am | #398

      Dont ask such things like that. Those are silly questions of people who wants to justify their wrong doings by asking where it is in the bible. I ask you, does the word “Bible” in the bible? Does the word “Holy Trinity” in the bible? Does the word “Christmas” in the bible? But still the bible is word of God written by evangelists inspired by the Holy Spirit.

      Not are all in the Bible which is Sacred Scripture. In Catholics, there is also a so called Sacred Traditions. These are teachings by words and mouth hand over by apostles to peoples at that time down to popes, bishops, priests and to us.

      2 Thes 2:15
      “Then, brothers and sisters, firmly hold on to the traditions we taught you either when we spoke to you or in our letter”

      The Church has its authority as given to St Peter, the first Pope.

      “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona . . . Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.” (Matt. 16:17-19).
      “There shall be one fold and one shepherd.” (John 10:16).
      “Feed my lambs . . . feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-17).

      Apostles understood that Peter had authority from Christ to lead the Church, for they gave him the presiding place every time they assembled in council (Acts 1:15, 5:1-10), and they placed his name first every time they listed the names of the Apostles. (Matt. 10:2, Mark 3:16, Luke 6:13-14, Acts 1:13).

      Also, most Saints have been blessed with Divine Revelations which are messages from Jesus, Mama Mary and other saints. There are also mystics and visionaries favored with messages from God.

      On of revelations says that the Catholic Church will be persecuted which is happening right now, “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been destroyed”
      Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his control and power.

      • urak
        October 5, 2010 at 12:50 pm | #399

        Well its really hard to debate to someone who is brainwashed and closed minded.

        The bible did not mention anything that says Peter was the first pope….

        The book of revelation did not specifically mention Roman Catholic Church. However, it talks about a WOMAN (Rev 17) (most often used figuratively in the bible as a church) that will be judge at the end times for being “adulterous”, being influential to world leaders and said to be “drunk” with the BLOOD OF THE SAINTS. WELL WHO COULD BE THIS CHURCH? A WOMAN IS USED CONSISTENTLY IN THE BIBLE TO REPRESENT A CHURCH.INTERESTINGLY, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH KILLED MILLIONS DURING THE INQUISITION PERIOD AND MOST OF THEM ARE REFORMIST OR PROTESTANT OR EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS. However, your church called them heretics if not witch.

        You have to research your Church history my friend.

        Well good-luck to your unbiblical tradition. If you really want to hold on to your “sacred tradition” well you should throw away your science book and you should continue to believe that the WORLD IS FLAT AND EARTH IS THE CENTER OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM cause this is part of your “sacred tradition”

        • jlocute
          October 5, 2010 at 1:40 pm | #400

          This is the evilness of Satan. He used also the Bible to destroy us! What is happening now is that there are a lot or Christian denominations professing they are the truth.
          That’s why heaven intervenes to us, giving us guidance appropriate for our times. They send heavenly messages to Saints, to visionaries, to mystics. The Blessed Virgin Mary thru his apparitions reveals many things. She is the one that said the Catholic is the Church of Christ. You will see right now, as it is the only one opposing the very evil of this RH bill.

          Please read this messages of Mama Mary:
          “But now, there is a spread abroad the most dangerous tendency of wanting to penetrate to understand everything – even mysteries – to such a point that only that part of the truth can be accepted which can be understood by human intelligence. There is a desire to unveil the mystery of God.”
          “These truths are unchangeable, as the very truth of God is unchangeable. Many of these form part of real mysteries in the strict sense of the word, because they are not and never can be understand by human intelligence.”
          “Through the philosophers who begin to give exclusively value to science and to reason, there is a tendency to constitute human intelligence alone as the sole criterion for truth. Then there comes the birth of great philosophical errors which continue through centuries down to your days. The exaggerated importance given to reason as exclusive criterion for truth leads to the destruction of faith.”
          “These errors are being propagated by false teachers, by renowned theologians who no longer teaching the truths of the Gospel, but pernicious heresies based on error and human reasoning. It is because of these teachings, the faith is lost and great apostasy is spread anywhere.”
          “Thus, the truth is being corrupted with errors. Error is being spread in a most dangerous way, namely as a new and modern way of understanding the truth, and it ends by subverting the very truths which are the foundation of the Catholic faith.”
          “They are not denied openly, but they are accepted in such an equivocal way that the doctrine is seriously compromised by error in an unprecedented manner.”
          “As a result, talk and discussion go on and on; but there is no longer any belief, and the darkness of errors spread.”

          • urak
            October 5, 2010 at 3:43 pm | #401

            Surely a church that is responsible for the murder and torture of millions of individuals is not the real church.

            • jlocute
              October 5, 2010 at 4:04 pm | #402

              Be careful not to accuse and judge. It said that we should not be judged for we are weak, only Jesus has the right to do it. Do not also say bad and nonsense words to your fellow being, be careful as it is a sin. Be careful when conversing with others, be careful with the words we used. We will held accountable for each of these.

              • urak
                October 5, 2010 at 6:42 pm | #403

                Judging and stating what is obvious are two different thing…

                • October 5, 2010 at 7:37 pm | #404

                  It’s obvious that Mary of Magdala was a prostitute and her accuser were just stating the obvious (she was even caught in the act), does that mean they did not judge her?

        • jlocute
          October 5, 2010 at 1:49 pm | #405

          The so-called bloody Inquisitions, which were initiated by the civil governments of France and Spain for the purpose of ferreting out Moslems and Jews who were causing social havoc by posing as faithful Catholic citizens — even as priests and bishops — were indeed approved by the Church. (Non-Catholics who admitted they were non-Catholics were left alone by the Inquisition.) And the vast majority of those questioned by the Inquisition were completely cleared. Nevertheless, the popes roundly condemned the proceedings when they saw justice giving way to cruel abuses, and it was this insistent condemnation by the popes which finally put an end to the Inquisitions

    • jlocute
      October 6, 2010 at 10:26 am | #407

      Urak, read the whole Genesis 38.

      Here’s some of its content:
      “Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also. ”

      What does it mean, Onan simply spilled his semen on the ground not to produce offspring. Then, it is already wicked in the eyes of the Lord. Withdrawal, masturbation is a sin already so as the same as contraception. You counter God’s purpose of sex!

      • pomum
        October 6, 2010 at 4:57 pm | #408

        what?

      • urak
        October 7, 2010 at 8:53 am | #409

        I was expecting that this passage will pop up anytime. Not so clever though, you are so literal in your logic. You miss the whole point of the story. In the ancient time, it was their practice to take their dead brother’s position as a husband to continue his bloodline and to take care of the widows. The whole point of the “bad action” is about SWINDLING, DISOBEDIENCE and DECEIT. However, I agree with you that masturbation is wrong in the sight of God but the spilling of semen is just a consequence action of the “sin in the mind”, fornication or adultery in the mind is considered fornication and adultery is the standard of God.

        You think as if sex if only for procreation…but you are wrong. God is not kill-joy. He design sex not just for procreation but also for comfort, intimacy and pleasure in marriage. Did you not wonder why is it that God design the woman womb to be fertile only for 2-3 days in a month? What will you do with the 27-28 days? Spill/Waste the semen in the womb? — and thats according to your logic.

        Ponder on the following verses:
        Procreation
        Gen. 1:28, “And God blessed them; and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.’”
        Intimacy
        Song 1:13, “My beloved is to me a pouch of myrrh which lies all night between my breasts.”
        Song 2:3, “Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men.  In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.”
        Song 2:6, “Let his left hand be under my head and his right hand embrace me.”
        Song 4:5, “Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, which feed among the lilies.”
        Companionship
        Song 3:1, “On my bed night after night I sought him whom my soul loves…”
        Physical Pleasure
        Song 1:2, “May he kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love is better than wine.”

    • Neigyl R. Noval
      October 7, 2010 at 11:39 pm | #410

      urak :
      Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using contraceptives or preventing the production of eggs and preventing the passage of sperm to the womb is a form of abortion!
      Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or imprisonment) by the roman catholic church because he insisted that the world is round and the planets moves around the sun. The church insisted the opposite.

      Here:

      http://www.maryourmother.net/Life.html

      That is the reason why the Church is against the RH bill. Life begins at conception and it is there in the Bible. So during the time when the sperm cell and the egg cell meets, life is now formed! However, the natural tendency of the flow of sperm cell to the egg cell is being distorted by the contraceptives. That is the main reason why contraceptives is considered as a MURDER to the new-born life. Again, it is because life begins at conception and not when the fetus is made visible to the womb.

  47. urak
    October 5, 2010 at 7:00 am | #411

    Ignorance promotes stupidity!

  48. jlocute
    October 5, 2010 at 10:05 am | #413

    It is told by the Blessed Mother in her apparitions, that “sins of the flesh” is the most reason why many people goes to hell. Many abuse their sexuality today; contraceptives, masturbation, infidelity with their partner, premarital sex and” live-in and sex” without marriage. What seems to be good or fine for human maybe a sin to God in his infinite goodness. In the Bible, Jesus told us that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. All of these are sin which we think are normal during this time.

    Don’t be fooled by Satan. We people, should always pray and ask for divine discernment and wisdom to know what is good and evil. How often do we pray, 5 mins in morning and 5 mins in evening? 10 minutes out of 24 hours God gave you? Do you think its worth for Him. We should always pray to God… pray pray and pray so that we will not fall against the snares and temptations of the evil. Satan tends to confuse us, by mixing good with bad, truths with lies and he hides so that we may not know.

  49. Czar Emmanuel Alvarez
    October 5, 2010 at 11:03 am | #414

    A CATHOLIC REACTION TO HOUSE BILL # 5043
    (“Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008”
    or more popularly known as the “RH Bill”)

    The heat is on again as the Mass Media (television networks, radio stations and newspapers in particular) highlight the conflicting stands of those who support and those who are against the approval and signing into law of House Bill # 5043 – the “Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008” (or simply the “RH Bill”). Among those who belong to the second group are the members of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), proponents of the Catholic Church, and devout Catholics. But what is it exactly that triggers their opposition? What provisions present in the proposed House Bill do they find unacceptable?

    Let us begin with some important clarifications. First, the proposed House Bill is not imposed on every Filipino citizen as a mandatory practice to be put into practice. This means that it simply legalizes the use of certain reproductive methods for those who would want to avail of them and sanctions those health care service providers who would refuse to extend the necessary means or offer the corresponding services to those who would ask for them (cfr. RH Section 21). The Bill in no way forces anyone, for example, to use artificial contraceptives when he or she does not want to. The RH Bill in many places respects freedom of choice and of conscience of single individuals. For example, in Section 3.g it states: “the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgment of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs”. In Section 21.a.5 (concerning prohibited acts for health care service providers) we read that they are not allowed to “refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature of work, provided that all conscientious objections of health care service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected …”

    Second, although the hub of the heated debates nowadays focus more on the question of the use of different methods – either natural or artificial (or “modern”, as the RH prefers to call such methods: cfr. Sections 3.a; 11; 12.f) – to prevent “unwanted, unplanned and mistimed pregnancies” (Section 5.k and 12.f) or “reduce incidence of teenage pregnancies” (Section 4.r), the proposed Bill actually covers many other questions directly and indirectly related to health, like gender equality (Sections 2.c; 3.i; 4.e), infant mortality and maternal death (Sections 4.r; 4.m), violence against women (Section 4.g.7), women empowerment (Section 2.c), discrimination against women (Section 17), certain gynecological conditions (Section 4.g.9), etc. Here lies one of the difficulties in approving or signing the proposed Bill in toto (although Section 25 states that “if any part, section or provision of this Act is held invalid or unconstitutional, other provisions not affected thereby shall remain in full force and effect”). The difficulty at this point concerns not only the validity or the invalidity or the constitutionality or not of some provisions or parts of the proposed Bill, but what one’s conscience or religious conviction dictates. Will a legislator approve a House Bill even when a part of it is against the dictates of his conscience or the religious convictions of enlightened (not ignorant) Catholics?

    Third, although some provisions of the Bill are well acceptable to the Catholic Church insofar as they are in accord or, at least, do not violate her teachings about faith and morals (like the Philippine government’s stand against abortion: cfr. Sections 3.m and 5.f.5), its proposals concerning the use of “modern” methods of family planning openly go against the Church’s magisterium, for example, where it speaks of “hospital-based” family planning techniques like tubal ligation, vasectomy and IUD (intrauterine device) insertion (Section 5.i) or of contraceptives (Section 10). The Catholic Church’s stand on the use of artificial methods has been clearly defined (cfr. Catechism of the Catholic Church or CCC § 2370). She also believes that states or governments are not authorized to propose or implement means contrary to the natural law (CCC § 2372) and remains steadfast in her position that the best way through which states or governments can intervene to orient the demography of the population is by means of objective and respectful information or education (CCC § 2372).

    Both the proposed House Bill and the Catholic Church agree on many points, like on the importance of sexual education and value formation (RH Section 12), on forming attitudes and beliefs about sex (Sections 4.h; 12.c), on responsible sexuality (Section 12.i), on the upliftment of the quality of life of the people, particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized (Section 3.j), on gender equality and reduction of inequality between the sexes (Sections 4.f; 4.h; 4.p), on the proscription of abortion (Sections 3.m; 5.f.5; 12.d), and so forth – all geared towards the improvement of the quality of life of the people, particularly through “reduction of inequality and eradication of widespread poverty” (Section 4.p) and providing health services. But they clearly disagree on some concrete steps to be taken to reach their common goal.

    Finally, it has become a popular outcry, even on the part of some “modernist” Catholics, to demand for a separation between the Church and the State, to the effect that – they claim – the former should not interfere with the affairs of the latter. Is this the result of a well thought-out conviction or simply an outcry of convenience? It is true that there is such a thing as separation of ecclesiastical and government civil powers, but we must remember that both Church and State deal and are concerned with the well-being of one and the same subject: the human person. And where his fundamental rights or his dignity are threatened by any worldly power, authority, organization, group, etc., by one means or another, both Church and State must intervene and, if necessary, enter into a dialogue. Both have the right to voice out their stand and principles although they must remain, as much as possible, each one within its own realm or area of competence. Unfortunately, since both are concerned with one and the same subject, conflicts and tensions inevitably arise, for we really cannot separate man’s material and spiritual needs one from the other. One always has a repercussion on the other for we are neither pure spirits nor physical bodies. The Catholic Church is expressing her stand on the present issue, which goes well beyond the question of physical or material health care. It rather touches on fundamental human rights, on religious convictions, and conscience. Each Filipino citizen has, indeed, the right to take a stand on the proposed House Bill # 5043, irrespective of their faith or religious affiliation (if one has any). Each man has the right to voice his opinion and that is precisely what the proponents of the Catholic Church are doing, and no one has the right to silence others when these do not agree with what he or she personally believes. The ultimate battle ground is one’s own conscience, but let it be a well-formed and enlightened one, understanding the stands of both the Church and the State, the reasons behind their oftentimes conflicting positions, and – as Catholics – taking into consideration what the Church has to say about questions of faith and morals. Let decisions be taken not just on the ground of convenience and purely personal likes and dislikes, but on the basis of solid convictions and profound principles.

    • Wilberg
      October 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm | #415

      You are missing something here.

      You said: “…the proposed House Bill is not imposed on every Filipino citizen as a mandatory practice to be put into practice.”

      I say: Contraception is not mandatory and it will not be. That’s off the question. It’s not even worth a mention. What you have missed is that tax is mandatory and this bill will be getting our tax money to buy contraceptives. In that sense, are we not obliged to do things that are against our will?

      You said: “…it simply legalizes the use of certain reproductive methods for those who would want to avail of them and sanctions those health care service providers who would refuse to extend the necessary means or offer the corresponding services to those who would ask for them (cfr. RH Section 21).”

      I say: First of, we are talking about contraceptive methods, not reproductive methods. Second, the bill does not intend to legalize the use of contraceptives; it is not illegal in the first place. What it wants is to allocate a budget for contraceptive drugs, devices, and services. The bill is all about budgets, by the way. Third, section 21 does not concern only the health care providers but anyone who will go against the intentions of the bill. When they say anyone, they mean anyone.

      You said: “The RH Bill in many places respects freedom of choice and of conscience of single individuals.”

      I say: You are implying that the bill respects freedom of choice and of conscience in some aspects but not in every aspect, and that you are okay with it. So, disrespect is sometimes acceptable? Let me inform you that the proponents of this bill does not know the meaning of respect (as you should have noticed), so they don’t know how to show it in any way. When they drafted the proposal, what they have in mind is money and not respect.

      You said: “…the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgment of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs.”

      I say: The bill explicitly said that, “In the elementary level, reproductive health education shall focus, among others, on values formation,” and that “Reproductive Health Education curriculum shall cover (c.) Attitudes, beliefs and values on sexual development, sexual behavior and sexual health.” Values education and religious beliefs go hand in hand. You cannot accept both “contraceptive values” from the school and Catholic morality from the Church and from the parents. Your quote and my quote both came from the same document which hypocritically contradicts itself and deliberately deceives the reader.

      You have quoted: “…provided that all conscientious objections of health care service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected.”

      I quote: “Provided, further, That the conscientious objector shall immediately refer the person seeking such care and services to another health care service provider…” If you really understand what you are reading, you will see the obvious contradiction of these two adjacent clauses. If you don’t want to cheat because you believe that it is wrong, would you be blameless if you ask somebody else to do it in your stead? Did you say the bill respects conscience?

      The bill, as a whole, is nonsense. It tries to disguise its wickedness through the help of some acceptable proposals, which in reality are unnecessary ones. Basically, the proposal can be divided into two parts: evil ideas that must not be passed as a law, and benign ideas (which they hypocritically proposed) that should not be mixed with this bill. The strategy is cunning but unfortunately (or fortunately), the intent is very obvious.

      • October 6, 2010 at 10:27 pm | #416

        the catholic church disrespects the filipino people when it imposes its beliefs on the whole nation when in fact not all filipinos are catholics. not only that, even catholics overwhelmingly support RH Bill 5043.

  50. October 5, 2010 at 11:05 am | #417

    urak :

    Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using contraceptives or preventing the production of eggs and preventing the passage of sperm to the womb is a form of abortion!

    Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or imprisonment) by the roman catholic church because he insisted that the world is round and the planets moves around the sun. The church insisted the opposite.

    the basis for the church’s stand on birth control is the encyclical Humanae Vitae, click here:

    http://2010presidentiables.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/humanae-vitae-encyclical-the-catholic-churchs-basis-for-its-stand-on-birth-control/

    • jlocute
      October 5, 2010 at 11:46 am | #418

      Thanks wawam. Urak please read that, so that we may know how evil we are today and opposing God.

      • urak
        October 5, 2010 at 1:04 pm | #419

        It what sense does a family planning program that promotes the use of condoms and pills makes us evil? this is a family planning program meaning it is intended for married couples only.

        • October 5, 2010 at 8:03 pm | #420

          “this is a family planning program meaning it is intended for married couples only.”

          Really?

        • Neigyl R. Noval
          October 7, 2010 at 11:43 pm | #421

          urak :
          It what sense does a family planning program that promotes the use of condoms and pills makes us evil? this is a family planning program meaning it is intended for married couples only.

          Read the bill thoroughly so you may understand. Also, read my post #66 (plus minus) so you may be aware of my scrutiny.

          It makes us evil because it encourages EVERYONE to use this. Why? Contraceptives will become an Essential Medicine. And many more reasons why.

    • urak
      October 5, 2010 at 12:59 pm | #422

      I said biblical text. Do not give me quotations from popes and other Roman catholic personalities. Because they could be wrong with their interpretations or might be based on traditions which are not biblical.

      Biblical passage please!

      • jlocute
        October 5, 2010 at 1:58 pm | #423

        I told you that not are all in the Bible, how come the Bible tell you on use of condoms and contraceptives when these things doesn’t exist during that time?
        Don’t justify the unevilness of this bill by asking verse from the Bible.
        Satan seduces many people that if they cannot find any Bible quotes for things, then they are free to do it?
        Please tell me, where in the Bible can you find the word “Bible” itself? hmmm..
        Now tell me, are all written in the Bible???

        • urak
          October 5, 2010 at 3:32 pm | #424

          Well, if its not in the bible how will you know that its the truth? You see, the problem is if you start wondering outside the bible there will be no common ground cause you will insert tradition and tradition is not all the time correct. When Jesus was incarnated in human form one of His purpose is to show the right way of living for us because our traditions is so mess up. In the new testament, you can often read Jesus rebuking the religious leaders at that time because of their wrong/wicked traditions.

          REad the bible my friend so that you will be enligten.

          • jlocute
            October 5, 2010 at 3:50 pm | #425

            Yes you are correct. Those were the Jews during that time. Observe that in the Bible there are two kinds of religious tradition — human and divine. Observe that when Christ accused the Pharisees He was referring to “precepts of men” (Mark 7:7), to their human traditions. Christ wanted divine tradition preserved and honored because He made it part and parcel of the Christian deposit of faith — as the Apostle Paul affirmed: “Stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:14. Also see 2 Thess. 3:6). This divine tradition to which Paul refers — this revealed truth which was handed down by word rather than by letter — is the tradition upon which, along with Sacred Scripture, the Catholic Church bases her tenets of faith — as the primitive Christian Fathers affirmed. Wrote St. Augustine: “These traditions of the Christian name, therefore, so numerous, so powerful, and most dear, justly keep a believing man in the Catholic Church.” The New Testament itself is a product of Christian tradition. Nowhere in the New Testament is there any mention of a New Testament.

          • October 5, 2010 at 8:15 pm | #426

            What made you believe that the truth is contained in the Bible in the first place? Did the Book fell from heaven directly to your lap? Isn’t it your tradition that taught you about the Bible? If you don’t have a tradition (a teaching that is passed from generation to generation), you must have seen Jesus yourself. So, again, the first question is where did the Bible take its credentials? I am not questioning the credibility of the Bible, I am questioning your basic reasons for believing that the Bible contains the truth, and the that it contains everything that is true.

            Second question is, where in the Bible did you read that the true Church will die or that for more than 1000 years, true Christians will disappear. Is it even possible?

        • urak
          October 5, 2010 at 3:54 pm | #427

          That is why I included the word imply. Not directly stating the word condom or contraception but at least you can show me a verse/passage that clearly supports your claim against the use of such devices.

          • October 5, 2010 at 8:25 pm | #428

            Where does the sperm end after a condomized intercourse? Does it take its natural course as designed by its architect? Or it dies out inside the condom which was thrown in a garbage bin?

            Does the name Onan ring a bell? Which one do you think is more insulting to God: the spilled male seeds on the soil, or the semen that was thrown as a trash?

  51. October 5, 2010 at 12:37 pm | #429

    let us all be against RH-Bill, otherwise sex will be everywhere! or to make it hurtfully, our children will be easily prone to sex to anyone they will like. be it their friends or once again to anyone whom they want to have sex. . .

    to P-noy, please do more on fighting corruption, not with this blasphemous RH-Bill.

    • October 5, 2010 at 2:17 pm | #430

      condoms, pills and IUDs have been in the philippines and have been soldd for decades – do you see sex everywhere now?

      • October 5, 2010 at 8:36 pm | #431

        Do you not?

        Will you not call sexual acts being performed by elementary and high school students “sex everywhere”?

        Everywhere does not necessarily mean every corner, every bench, every storefront, or every place you look at. You already know that, I believe I don’t have to explain — I am reminding you, though.

        Second truth that you have missed is that contraceptives are still taboo in the country. You won’t see 5 out of 10 teenagers casually buying condoms or pills just like buying a candy; less likely that you can expect them to have sex just anywhere publicly.

  52. October 5, 2010 at 2:11 pm | #432

    jlocute :

    Thanks wawam. Urak please read that, so that we may know how evil we are today and opposing God.

    humanae vitae is a very controversial encyclical. many catholic theologians have attacked the encyclical. most scholars also view humanae vitae is not being infallible and therefore catholics may not follow its teachings. the philippine catholic church is in very shaky grounds in using this as the basis for their stand on birth control.

    this encyclical has been discussed extensively in this blog.

    • October 5, 2010 at 8:53 pm | #433

      The Catholic Church is 2000 years old; the Church in the Philippines is 488 years old, more or less. It does not base its teaching on sexual morality solely on Humanae Vitae as if sex is a modern invention. It just happened that the encyclical letter particularly and intentionally addresses contraceptive mentality. The Church is already speaking against contraception since almost two millenniums ago. And it’s not surprising, because these so-called modern methods are not really modern as they claim it to be. They may even be older than Christianity.

  53. October 5, 2010 at 2:14 pm | #434

    urak :

    I said biblical text. Do not give me quotations from popes and other Roman catholic personalities. Because they could be wrong with their interpretations or might be based on traditions which are not biblical.

    Biblical passage please!

    i am not debating with you. i am merely stating a fact – that humane vitae is the basis for the catholic church’s stand on birth control.

    • urak
      October 5, 2010 at 3:40 pm | #435

      Well then, your “human vitae” is based only on the “opinion” of the pope. The ultimate basis for morality is God’s written words not the pope’s word. You see the pope is just a human being who can commit mistakes. If you research the lives of all previous popes, you will see many of them committed fornications, some even have children – and this is FACTUAL.

      • jlocute
        October 5, 2010 at 3:56 pm | #436

        The doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean the Pope is always right in all his personal teachings. Catholics are quite aware that, despite his great learning, the Pope is very much a human being and therefore liable to commit human error. On some subjects, like sports and manufacturing, his judgment is liable to be very faulty. The doctrine simply means that the Pope is divinely protected from error when, acting in his official capacity as chief shepherd of the Catholic fold, he promulgates a decision which is binding on the conscience of all Catholics throughout the world. In other words, his infallibility is limited to his specialty–the Faith of Jesus Christ.

        In order for the Pope to be infallible on a particular statement, however, four conditions must apply: 1) he must be speaking ex cathedra . . . that is, “from the Chair” of Peter, or in other words, officially, as head of the entire Church; 2) the decision must be for the whole Church; 3) it must be on a matter of faith or morals; 4) the Pope must have the intention of making a final decision on a teaching of faith or morals, so that it is to be held by all the faithful. It must be interpretive, not originative; the Pope has no authority to originate new doctrine. He is not the author of revelation — only its guardian and expounder. He has no power to distort a single word of Scripture, or change one iota of divine tradition. His infallibility is limited strictly to the province of doctrinal interpretation, and it is used quite rarely. It is used in order to clarify, to “define,” some point of the ancient Christian tradition. It is the infallibility of which Christ spoke when He said to Peter, the first Pope: “I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven.” (Matt. 16:19). Certainly Christ would not have admonished His followers to “hear the church” (Matt. 18:17) without somehow making certain that what they heard was the truth — without somehow making the teaching magisterium of His Church infallible.

        • urak
          October 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm | #437

          The only source of moral guidance is the word of God – the bible. Good-luck to your traditions and man made “procedures”.

      • October 5, 2010 at 9:18 pm | #438

        That’s an outright judgmentalism. First of, infallibility and impeccability are two different things. You are answering your wrong argument. Nobody says that a pope cannot commit mistakes. In fact, Peter denied Jesus three times, and he did even swear publicly. Does it take away his being apostle and his knowledge of the unchanging truth?

        Actually, the discussion here is already far off the track, and it is because of the consistent attempt to discredit the Catholic Church, while the real issue is objective morality — regardless of whether the Church taught it or not. Good deeds are still good even without the Church’s approval; evil will always be evil even without the Church’s verdict. The Church does not decide which is good; she teaches it.

        • urak
          October 7, 2010 at 10:08 am | #439

          Yes people commit mistakes that is why we need to go back or based our morals on the bible the Word of God not on any documents written by popes. Popes commit mistakes (Some are even responsible for the death and torture of millions (inquisition), some committed fornications and produce children, e.g., Pope John X, Pope John XII, Pope John XII and many more) just as peter denied Jesus 3 times.

    • urak
      October 7, 2010 at 9:46 am | #440

      So your basis is floating in the air – no foundation or what so ever.

  54. jlocute
    October 5, 2010 at 2:17 pm | #441

    I just read this beautiful message from other blog:

    Ang posisyon ng simbahan ukol sa usaping ito ay tama at nararapat, maaring hindi katanggap tanggap sa marami at hindi praktikal.
    Kung sasangayon ang simbahan dito, parang sinabi ng simbahan na OK na pagbigyan ang SEXUAL urges kailangan lang walang consequence.
    Ang mensahe ng prinsipyong ito ay maaring ipahayag sa ganitong paraan. Dahil ang natural na consequence ng sex ay ang posibilidad na magkaanak, maaring lunasan ito basta gumamit ng condom o ibang method. Pero malinaw na ang layunin ay PAGBIGYAN ANG SEXUAL URGES na walang consequence. Kung ito ang prinsipyo na gustong ipalulun sa simbahan ng karamihan at kung lulunukin ito ng simbahan dahil sa pressure ng “karamihan” wala nang prinsipyo ang simbahan na sasandalan para komontra sa naglipanang “night spots”, women for hire, at promiscuity. Dahil ang pagsang ayon dito ay nangangahulugan ng pagsangayon sa pagbibigay sa makamundong pagnananasa basta walang consequence(pagbubuntis).
    Di na rin dapat kontrahin ang pakikipag sex kung kanikanino dahil pagbibigay daan lamang ito sa “pangangailangan ng katawan” basta gumamit lamang ng condom.
    At kung ganitong prinsipyo ang susundin, ok lang ba gumawa ng bagay na makapagpapasaya sa iyo basta walang consequence. Pwede na ba mang rape basta i-drug muna yung babae para walang discomfort sa kanya, walang maalala kung gising yung biktimang babae, dapat siguruhing maliligayahan din siya at importante mag condom para di magbuntis at wag pahuhuli para di makulong. Kung magnanakaw(para masaya) ka, dapat wag kang pahuhuli para di ka makulong (consequence). O kaya i legalize na lang ang pagnanakaw?
    Ano kaya ang komunidad na kagigisnan natin kung ganitong prinsipyo ang paiiralin?

  55. October 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm | #442

    jlocute :

    Czar Emmanuel Alvarez :

    A CATHOLIC REACTION TO HOUSE BILL # 5043
    (“Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008”
    or more popularly known as the “RH Bill”)

    The Catholic Church is expressing her stand on the present issue, which goes well beyond the question of physical or material health care. It rather touches on fundamental human rights, on religious convictions, and conscience. Each Filipino citizen has, indeed, the right to take a stand on the proposed House Bill # 5043, irrespective of their faith or religious affiliation (if one has any). Each man has the right to voice his opinion and that is precisely what the proponents of the Catholic Church are doing, and no one has the right to silence others when these do not agree with what he or she personally believes. The ultimate battle ground is one’s own conscience, but let it be a well-formed and enlightened one, understanding the stands of both the Church and the State, the reasons behind their oftentimes conflicting positions, and – as Catholics – taking into consideration what the Church has to say about questions of faith and morals. Let decisions be taken not just on the ground of convenience and purely personal likes and dislikes, but on the basis of solid convictions and profound principles.

    the church seeks to bully the state into taking it’s position and nothing else. the church seeks to bully the state into promoting only traditional methods of contraception and deprive the citizenry knowledge and support on modern methods of contraception. the church is for putting blinders on the citizens preventing them from making an informed choice.

    • October 5, 2010 at 9:36 pm | #443

      Bully? For what reason? And how will it be possible for the State to be bullied?

      Look on the other side, instead. Whose conscience are being violated by this bill? Isn’t it the Catholic conscience. Take note, it “violates” the Catholic conscience. Who did you say is being bullied? Now, whose taxes are they planning to use to violate Catholic conscience? Non-Catholics’ taxes? I believe I don’t have to mention that majority of Filipinos are Catholics. So, we are working hard to give the State a large sum of money for it to be able to violate our conscience. Who again is the bully? Last question, did the proponents of the bill followed the Constitution regarding making policies that affects families? A big NO. Did they ask Catholic family associations/organizations if they agree on the proposal? No. They do the opposite, instead. So, whose will, rights, dignity, and freedom are they attacking? Non-Catholics’? Let me here the words again, who is bullying who?

      • October 6, 2010 at 9:58 pm | #444

        bully tactic #1 : threaten aquino with excommunication even though the bishop knew very well there is no basis for it.

        bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding aquino of what happened during the People Power Revolution. the only problem with this bully tactic is that a high 71% of catholics support RH Bill 5043.

        • Wilberg
          October 6, 2010 at 10:50 pm | #445

          “bully tactic #1 : threaten aquino with excommunication even though the bishop knew very well there is no basis for it.”

          According to the teaching of the Church where the president belongs, “Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.” Even the abortion and contraceptive industries know very well that the Pill, IUD, and other so-called contraceptives can kill a zygote. These people can change and manipulate medical definitions but the truth remains that at the moment where the spermatozoon penetrates the ovum (fertilization), a human being is conceived, and to create an environment, through these killing agents, that is hostile to the human zygote is nothing less than an abortion. It is not the CBCP who wrote that, “Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life.”

          “bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding aquino of what happened during the People Power Revolution.”

          I will ask once again, how will it be possible for the State to be bullied? Can’t it not stand for what it believes is right? Furthermore, civil disobedience in this case is a responsibility of all true Catholics. The bishops and the faithful are saying these words with Peter and the other apostles: “We must obey God rather than men!”

          Now, how about the people who the bill is really trying to bully? They just don’t matter?

        • Sir
          October 7, 2010 at 8:08 am | #446

          Please read the news.
          http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202368/cbcp-chief-no-threat-of-excommunication-vs-aquino

          pakibasa nalang yung
          Disclaimer ni Bishop Nereo Odchimar, D.D., CBCP President
          nung september 30 pa to na statement

          • October 7, 2010 at 11:03 am | #447

            yes of course the bishop denied it a day after he said it. he denied it as he knew his statement at the time he made it was incorrect and had no basis. he made that statement even though he knew it was incorrect precisely to threaten and bully aquino.

            • Wilberg
              October 7, 2010 at 2:34 pm | #448

              “yes of course the bishop denied it a day after he said it.”

              Who denied what?

              This is part of the interview:

              Radyo Veritas: “Pag nag-step in na po si Pres. Aquino ng pamimigay ng contraceptives, automatic po bang ex-communicated na siya ng Catholic Church?

              CBCP President: “We have to look into it. We have to exhaust all means to come to a point of confrontation.”

              Radyo Veritas: “Possibility po yun, Bishop?”

              CBCP President: “It can be a possibility but I do not say na it is a proximate possibility.”

              Did the bishop threaten anyone here? Does he need to deny anything? Did he? The bishop was even reluctant to talk about excommunication. He is answering an interview question and not doing a press release.

              Which of the actual statements has attempted to bully the president?

  56. October 5, 2010 at 3:20 pm | #449

    The most effective method is abstinence, which the Church teaches consistently even before we were born. If you do not want to have children, don’t have sex. Difficult? That’s because you believe that sex is an ESSENTIAL need like food and water. But the truth is, you can live a long life without having sex. Sex, though is needed by humanity for the continuity of its survival.

  57. jlocute
    October 6, 2010 at 10:28 am | #450

    Read Genesis 38. Here’s some of its content:

    “Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also. ”

    What does it mean, Onan simply spilled his semen on the ground not to produce offspring. Then, it is already wicked in the eyes of the Lord. Withdrawal, masturbation is a sin already so as the same as contraception. You counter God’s purpose of sex!

  58. pututuy
    October 6, 2010 at 10:30 am | #451

    @ kung sino ka man
    hindi porke 5 pharagraph na english tungkol sa abortion ang kayang mong isulat eh tama ka na, mayaman ka kasi nakapagaral ka, nakakapagpost sa mga blog at articles sa net ng ingles, pero paano naman yung mga kababayan natin na ni kuryente at tubig wala? problema pa pagkain sa sangkatutak na anak, naiintindihan mo ba sila? ang mga paring katoliko may problema ba sila sa pera? madami ba silang anak? o naranasan na ba nila makipag sex? kontrang kontra sa gobyerno, pero sila mismo hindi naiintindihan ang mga kababayan natin na pahirapan na kumain ng isang beses isang araw, anu bang alam nila sa isang maganak na may limang myembro na nagrrugby para malimutan lang ang kanilang gutom, nakakatakot sila lapitan pero pag iyong pinagmasdan eh wala lang sila pambili ng makakain na sapat sa laki ng pamilya nila, kaya bang pigilan to ng simbahang katoliko? kapag ba sinermonan nila ang mga kababayan natin eh mabubusog na sila? anung magagawa mo bilang isang mamamayan? lumapit at bigyan ng limos ang mga taong ito? kaya mo ba sila payamanin sa halagang bente pesos na binigay mo? hindi diba? ito ang panahon para ipaubaya natin ang ating mga kababayan at bawat isa sa gobyerno, this is the time para tanggapin natin na ang relihiyon ay di sagot sa kahirapan at patuloy ng pagdami ng populasyon, be realistic! ang pinakamabuti mong gawin ay IPAGDASAL ANG BANSANG PILIPINAS sa Panginoon na nawa ay gabayan ang mga namumuno sa ating gobyerno. HUWAG natin iasa sa mga pari at kung sinumang obispo na kumokontra, tao lang sila, nagkakamali gaya ng gobyerno ng Pilipinas

    • Sir
      October 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm | #452

      @pututuy
      Are you suggesting that the children, lined up along the road inhaling who-knows-what, were better off not being brought into this world? Spare them the cruelty? Are there no other means to address this poverty without resorting to contraception?

      Ang RH bill ay punong punong ng magagandang salita tulad ng “Freedom of informed choice”, “Protection and promotion of gender equality”, and etc… and I am pretty sure that the church is not against these. Ngunit may mga di katangi-tanging bahagi na nakatago sa RH bill na ito.

      Sigurado akong kaya mo rin mag back-read since nakapag post ka naman. Paki search ang mga ito na i-pinost ni “Neigyl R. Noval”. Dun mo makikita ang ilang dikanais-nais na pilit itinatago sa mahalimuyak na salita.

      Tama ka, ang tao ay nagkakamali. Kaya kelangan nga nating ipagdasal di lamang ang Pilipinas kundi ang lahat ng mga PAMILYA sa buong mundo na laging punteryang sirain ng demonyo.

    • veron
      September 26, 2012 at 2:27 pm | #453

      mr. pututoy your very subjective with your comments be objective … ang layo na ng napuntahan mo nawawala ka tpos andun ka na naman …

  59. papampam
    October 6, 2010 at 11:57 am | #454

    I would like to share the following conversation. I think it is worth sharing.

    (From a friend’s Facebook status): “RH Bill should not be passed because it will be a useless law. Why? Coz it
    will only be use as a corruption tool for the gov’t officials. But if
    the DOH needs “beating” just to make an action, RH Bill should be made
    into law. Shame on them..”

    COMMENT: “there is no such thing as useless law, just useless law enforcers.”

    REPLY: “hmm..it will be a useless law kasi the subject itself doesn’t need a law. Kahit ang DOH, kyang magpalabas ng kahit isang Memorandum to enforce the same even without a law. May mga National Issue kasi na hindi mo na kailangan ng batas to enforce it. Ang ikinakaba ko dito ay bka gawin itong tool ng mga corrupt officials to cover up their bad deeds..”
    “bigyan kita ng example ng useless law- the anti-smoking law enforce to PUV(jeepneys, fx, bus, etc) Why useless?? pinagbbwal nila ang paninigarilyo sa loob ng jeep, but the amount of smoke from other vehicles caused greater harm than the smoke of the cigarette itself. Totally useless..”

    COMMENT: “it’s not useless kung EFFECTIVE ang law enforcers. kaya nga may anti-smoke belching campaign e, para HINDI useless ang anti-smoking law. nasa pagpapatupad lang yan. my point is, kung ang mga tao ay marunong sumunod at magpasunod, ang mga batas ay hindi maisasapagwalang bahala.”

    REPLY: “hmm..generally, ang pagiging effective ng batas ay hndi dpt iasa lng sa mga “law enforcements”, kundi dpt ding ipagkatiwla sa pagiging disiplinado ng mga tao. On the other hand, RH bill is a preventive law, and the nature of RH bill is the …enforcement of moral responsibility of the public to the state. At pg cnbi mong moral responsibility, gawin man ng isang tao un o hndi, wlang makukulong or wlang mggwa ang gov’t kng hndi man niya gwn un. Now, my main point is that, why do u need to pass a law that concerns moral responsibility, that in the future, will be useless at tanging gov’t officials lng ang nakikinabang.”

    COMMENT: “it’s not all about moral responsibility of the public to state BUT ALSO the responsibility of the state to the public. ilan sa kasama sa RH bill ang pagbibigay ng sapat na kaalaman at serbisyo lalo na sa mahihirap, karagdagang sakop ng insurance, karagdagang mga midwives at OB sa mga GHU, at iba pa. at nakalagay din dun na ang hindi pagbigay ng tamang serbisyo sa publiko ng mga nasa kinauukulan ay may penalty. therefore, may pakinabang ang publiko dito lalo na ang mahihirap. hindi ito magiging useless kung ipapatupad nang tama.”

    COMMENT2: “why would it be useless? e sa tingin mo ba if people especially those who are uneducated-unlike law enforcers-would be EDUCATED would that be useless? besides the point, tulad nga ng sinabi mo “hindi dapat iasa lang sa law enforcements”, so… why not implement it para lahat tayo may fair share of responsibilities. kung isa kang law enforcer, and even you alone is not abiding by the law, do you think may susunod pa sayo? (i am pertaining to those who are smoking inside public transportation vehicles thing), ang point nila is not to prevent the pollution but DECREASE it.”

    REPLY: “Ok mates, may main point here is that, all the things that ***** said in her comment regarding the content of RH Bill, do you think kailangan pa ng batas niyan para lang ma-implement yan?? I don’t think so! Kahit isang Memorandum, kayang …iimplement ng DOH yan without supporting laws and without the threat of violating any other laws. Now, the only think that makes this law very interesting is that, more public officials will use this a “corruption tool” for their bad deeds. That is why I made a conclusion that it is a useless law. Sana nakuha niyo ang point ko..”
    “if we’re going to look at the general thinking of implementation of law, RH Bill is very very easy to implement. The word “useless” that I have use is not about its implementation in general but what it will be in the future. Yes, RH …bill will be a useless law, and I stand to it. Why? BECAUSE EVEN WITHOUT THIS LAW, all its content can be implemented by the gov’t. It is also useless for me, because it can be,as I always saying, a tool for corruption in the future. And I do not care about its implementation or whatever. Hope you get it right.”

    COMMENT: “kung memorandum lang ang gagawin, mas prone sa corruption kasi within DOH lang yung written note, mas madaling hindi sundin. unlike kung isasabatas, required magpasa ng annual report ang DOH sa presidente. at kung isasabatas, tiyak na may penalty ang kinauukulang hindi susunod. I was just wondering, in what way magagamit ito bilang corruption tool kung isasabatas? can you give examples? at anong other laws ang maaari nitong i-violate, if ever?”

    REPLY: “In terms of violating law, wla akung cnsbing ganun. Maaring may overlapping in terms of other law, but wla siyang ma-vaviolate. Hmm..ito nman ang tanong ko syo, how can you say na mas prone sa corruption ang pagpasa ng simple memorandum if the capability and the budget involved are too small and easy to track?? Do you have any proof? Actually, Government institution like DOH has the ability to impose sanction if a certain hospital or person do not follow the same.
    Dun nman sa sinasabi mong example, bbigyan kita pro the most basic lang. The DOH will order a 50,000 boxes of condoms for the purpose of distribution as part of the RH Bill(law). The total amount is 5 million pesos. But this one official facilitated the trade and declared the amount as 7 million pesos. one million for that official, one million for the other. And because it is law, malinis tingnan. Basic example lng yn but I know, we know, na meron pang iba kalokohan na mangyayari.”

    COMMENT: “may I quote your previous comment: ” …without the threat of violating any other laws.” Anu yong mga “threat” na yon? At how can it (the proposed law) be used as a corruption tool? I am asking this for me to understand your point.”

    REPLY: “As I said, “without the threat of violating other laws.” Ibg sbhin, khit anung gwin nila, wlang magsasanction sknlang batas.”

    COMMENT: “Hindi ba possible na mangyari din ang sinabi mong example kung gagawin itong isang memorandum?”

    REPLY: “Well, the budget will be too small if it will go under a Memorandum process. Small budget means easy to audit, easy to audit means easy to track, easier tracking means easier process to determine if corruption happens. Unlike pag malakihan, maraming hndi magsasalita dahil, nbyran na. Minsan kasi, pang-cover up lng ang batas to make way for a bigger operation of corruption. Mukhang mgnda lng sa paningin pro di maiiwsang may hidden agenda un.”

    COMMENT: “if you think that is a good alternative, why not suggest it at PNoy’s blog? It could help.”

    REPLY: “ahh..wg na..aksaya lng ng oras. I’ll just leave it to his good judgment. ^^”

    COMMENT: “some ideas are worth sharing. mas nanghihinayang ako sa buwis na mawawala kesa sa oras na maaaksaya. :)”

  60. jlocute
    October 6, 2010 at 12:04 pm | #455

    Many has been saying that contraceptives is not a sin and is unbiblical. Well please read this:

    Genesis 38:8-10

    “Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also.”

    Here, Onan spilled his semen on the ground not to produce offspring. And this was considered sin in the eyes of the Lord. He was put to death at that time. This is the same as masturbation, withdrawal and the use of contraceptives which are all sin. Sex has its purpose; do not contradict the will of God on His purpose.

    The Lord wants us to multiply. Contraceptives oppose the will of the God. Here are some Bible verses:

    Deuteronomy 6:3

    “Listen closely, Israel, and be careful to obey. Then all will go well with you, and you will have many children in the land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your ancestors, promised you”

    Genesis 9:7

    “And you, be fruitful and multiply, teem on the earth and multiply in it.”

    Deuteronomy 8:1

    “The whole commandment that I command you today you shall be careful to do, that you may live and multiply, and go in and possess the land that the LORD swore to give to your fathers.

    People have been persuaded by the devil that they are entitled to have sex when they choose, rejecting any unwanted life that may result. The enemy may tell you “God is too demanding and unreasonable”. “If we distributed more condoms we would not have disease or the need to abort babies”. “It’s God’s fault because God’s Church is against the use of condoms”.
    Sexual intercourse, by its nature and intent is potentially life giving act. This is God’s version. The enemy’s version is that sex can be closed to give life and used for physical pleasure only. Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led souls to avoid consequences by offering widespread contraception and abortion. Both men and women are now told that sinful sexual behaviors are allowable and acceptable. God intends that a man and woman enter a blessed union (through marriage) and then share their sexuality with one another. The devil is mocking God because he depicts God’s purpose. He is laughing because many led astray on this sin.

    • jur
      October 6, 2010 at 11:17 pm | #456

      “Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also.”

      If you read this passage understanding Jewish tradition.
      You should learn that.

      When a woman’s husband dies without giving her a male offspring,
      She should lie with his brothers until she bears a male son.

      Women were nothing without men in Jewish times.

      God did not get angry because Onan spilled his semen, but because he was selfish enough not to give his sister-in-law a child.

      Sources:

      Bible scholar

      • Wilberg
        October 7, 2010 at 1:54 am | #457

        “God did not get angry because Onan spilled his semen, but because he was selfish enough not to give his sister-in-law a child.”

        Did I hear you say the word “selfish”? Isn’t this the same word that we are trying to point out? But you are always missing the point.

        Look here:
        #53 – “It is also to be feared that the man, growing used to the employment of anti-conceptive practices, may finally engage to conjugal infidelity or may lose respect for the woman and, no longer caring for her physical equilibrium, may come to the point of considering her as a mere instrumental good of selfish achievement of pleasure, and no longer as his respected and beloved companion.”

        #68 – “Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led souls to avoid consequences by offering widespread contraception and abortion.”

        #106 – “You don’t want your wife or daughter or mother being used by other people (multiple in number, if sex outside of marriage is not wrong) for their selfish carnal pleasure.”

        All this time, you haven’t had a clue that what we’re really talking about here is selfishness. You have even recourse to exegetes and the point is already right in front your nose, but you still missed it.

      • ELITISTAKAUNO?
        October 19, 2010 at 12:03 am | #458

        so parang ginawang panganakan lang ang babae? napakasama naman pala ng diyos niu tsk tsk tsk

    • urak
      October 7, 2010 at 2:03 pm | #459

      The key word is Deceit and disobedience….dont Just look at the word semen without reading the story.

  61. bobokasiako
    October 6, 2010 at 12:41 pm | #460

    nagagalit ang simbahan dahil wala na silang karagdagang pagkakitaan. isa na dito ang baptism. maliit na kasi ang birth rate. tapos every birthday pa ng sanggol na yan hanggang lumaki eh nagbibigay ng pera sa simbahan. malaki talaga lugi ng simbahan. wala na silang pera para sa mga chix nila. ito kasing simbahan putak ng putak eh hindi naman nagbabayad ng tax. gumagamit pa kayo ng daan sa gobyerno habang nagprosesyon kayo. kapal ng mukha niyo!

    • Sir
      October 6, 2010 at 5:47 pm | #461

      Hinay hinay lang pare.
      Dahil nagbabayad din ng tax ang mga Katoliko. (they are also part of the Church)
      At isa pa, ang simbahan ay di namimilit na humingi ng mga monetary contributions.
      In freedom ang pagbigay ng mga ito.

      At ang pagbigay ng mga sakramento ay ang tanging ikinabubuhay ng ating mga kaparian at ito ay serbisyo. Mali bang humingi ng onting kabayaran katumbas ng ibinibigay mo na serbisyo? Madalas pa ngang donasyon ang hinihinging kapalit eh, ibig sabihin na nasa iyo kung magkano ang gusto mo o kaya mong ibayad.

      at isa pa, paki basa ang mga komento ng ibang tao kung bakit ganun nalang ang tayo ng simbahan tungkol sa RH bill. Ikaw tong putak ng putak, eh halos off topic ka naman.

      • Wilberg
        October 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm | #462

        Yan din sana isa-suggest ko, medyo nauna ka lang. :D Basahin muna kung ano ang mga napag-usapan na para hindi naman mapahiya nang konti. Bago magbigay ng komento, alamin muna ang kwento. Suggestion lang naman.

      • JM
        August 18, 2012 at 12:51 am | #463

        “At isa pa, ang simbahan ay di namimilit na humingi ng mga monetary contributions.
        In freedom ang pagbigay ng mga ito.”

        How did you know? You should distinguish between offerings/donations and collection of fees. Hindi ba pag nagpapabinyag may corresponding fee for each ninong/ninong. They church is charging a fee (a set amount) in this sense, not asking for donations (or you call it contribution), for donation is a free will offering–not a charge to be settled in exchange for a service.

        “At ang pagbigay ng mga sakramento ay ang tanging ikinabubuhay ng ating mga kaparian at ito ay serbisyo.”

        You’re making an absolute statement. What about Paul? He worked as a tent maker while doing his ministry. What about those congregation of priests that run schools. Are they not earning money? And, you will call the school as a form of service? In some sense, maybe, yes. But I don’t think it’s “sacrament” in all its entirety.

        When the Catholic Church asks for a fee for baptism or any other “sacrament” for that matter when the historical first century church did not do so, is not this a form of corruption? And, people are talking about corruptions in the government! Whose hands are clean?

    • ching
      January 29, 2013 at 6:47 pm | #464

      hey buddy watch your comment..d2 pa naman sa social networking.pinapakita mo lang talaga na wala kng galang..saang lupalop ka kaya pina doktrina ng parents mo?

  62. Prontiera
    October 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm | #465

    tama tama! sa panahon ngayon kinakailangan ng maghinay-hinay sa panganganak dahil lalo tayong maghihirap! over populated na tayo sa pilipinas.. at isa pa sasagutin ba ng simbahan lahat ng problema na ating nararanasan… hindi sasabihin lang nila na kasalanan ng gobyerno yan.. “not our problem” agad ang sasabihin………..

    • October 10, 2010 at 11:31 am | #466

      malaking mali at pagkakamali ang iyong isinulat at isinabi dito prontiera… hindi epekto ng sobrang populasyon ang kahirapan bagkos maling pag babahagi-bahagi ng kayamanan at pagkakaroon ng tamang hustisya at tamang pag respeto sa karapatang pantao.. ngayon nasaan ang gobyerno sa pagpapatupad nito…? kapabayaan ang nangingibabaw kaya nagkakaroon ng kahirapan… kasakiman ng mga lideres ang dapat maalis para maalis ang kahirapan sa bansa…

  63. October 6, 2010 at 7:37 pm | #467

    pres. Aqiuno is an ass in supporting this dill for he knows the catholic church is against this.

  64. October 6, 2010 at 8:58 pm | #468

    tama galit na nga ang simbahan dahil hindi tama na suwayin ang cnabi ng diyos na ” humayo kau`t magparami “.

    • urak
      October 7, 2010 at 10:36 am | #469

      Haha ibang klase talaga logic ninyo…mag parami kasi dalawa lang sila noon.Eh ngayon 6 Billiona na mahigit and the earth resources is not growing its even dwindling. Wag nating kalimutan na sinabi rin ng Panginoon kay Adam and Eve “subdue the earth” – meaning we should control it, not destroy it by overcrowding. Controlling the earth means make it sustainable for us. How can we sustain our existence if there not enough resources to feed us due to over population?

      • jlocute
        October 7, 2010 at 12:19 pm | #470

        And who are the you then to say that the message of God is outdated??? Kaya pala ngayon uso na ang patayan, prostitution, pagnanakaw at lahat ng masasama.. ahh kasi outdated na yung message ni God. Parang ganyan po yata ang gustong palabasin ng message mo po. When God said “subdue the earth, He says to Adam and Eve to control and govern the creatures on earth, like fish of sea, birds in sky and all creatures in the land and that’s it. No more no less.

        • urak
          October 7, 2010 at 1:46 pm | #471

          Who said that His word is outdated? The key word is the “context” the “background” of the passage. DONT BE LITTERAL…

          Yes you are right…subdue means controlling the animals, fish, birds..why ARE THIS CREATURES/ANIMALS/BIRDS/PLANTS NOT OUR MAIN RESOURCE FOR SURVIVAL IN THIS PLANET? Again you are so literal in your logic.

      • Wilberg
        October 7, 2010 at 1:14 pm | #472

        Subdue means to manage within limits, it does not mean to contracept. At hindi bilang ng tao ang tinutukoy ng salitang ito kundi ang tao mismo – ang kanyang mga limitasyon. Hindi dapat maging abusado ang lahi ng tao. To manage your children does not necessarily mean to manage the number of your children, but to introduce discipline, moderation, and self-mastery.

        Una, hindi sinasabi ng Simbahan na wag i-manage ang populasyon. Ang sinasabi niya ay maging bukas sa buhay. Kasabay nito, ipinapaalala niya na tungkulin ng mga magulang na bigyan ng sapat na edukasyon at pagpapalaki ang mga ipinagkatiwala ng Diyos. Ibig sabihin, kung sa palagay ng mag-asawa ay hindi nila kayang gampanan ang pagiging magulang sa maraming anak, kailangan nilang makipag-cooperate sa kalikasang pantao na ibinigay sa kanila ng Diyos.

        Pangalawa, kahit ano pang sabihin ng US, ng ibang mga bansa, at ng mga taga-sunod nina Malthus, Darwin, at Sanger, matagal nang bumagsak ang alamat ng overpopulation.

        Pangatlo, hindi sinabi ng Diyos na magpakarami dahil dadalwa pa lang ang tao noon. Kahit 10 milyon na sila noon, mananatili pa rin na pagpapala ang fertility at hindi ito kailanman magiging sumpa gaya ng turing dito ng marami ngayon. Kung susukatin mo ang mundo (o kahit ang Pilipinas lang), malayong-malayo ito sa sinasabing pagkapuno. Isang malaking pandaraya ang pagpapakita ng larawan ng isang siksikan na lugar na para bang ganito ang sitwasyon sa buong bansa. Ito ay isang intensyonal na panlilinlang. Ang ipinapakita nila ay mga urban area kung saan ang lahat ay nagsisiksikan dahil sa maling akala na dito may buhay. Ang sinabi ng Diyos ay hindi lamang magpakarami kundi punuin ang daigdig. Kahit sa panahon na mamamatay na ang mga kaapu-apuhan ng henerasyong ito, imposibleng mapuno ang mundo o kahit ang Pilipinas lang. Pero hindi ibig sabihin ay maaaring balewalain ng mga magulang ang pagpaplano tungkol sa pagsisilang; mananatili pa rin basehan ang kanilang kakayahang bigyan ng marangal na buhay at edukasyon ang kanilang mga anak.

        Pang-apat, hindi totoo na kulang sa kayamanan ang mundo at ang ating bansa. Hanggat may mga taong namumuhay sa kalabisan, lagi itong mangangahulugan na ang dahilan ng kakulangan ng iba ay ang hindi balanseng pagamit ng yaman ng bansa.

  65. jur
    October 6, 2010 at 11:12 pm | #473

    The Catholic church is responsible for the deaths of thousands of martyrs who devoted themselves to the translation of the bible.

    VATICAN I

    The bible was only written and preached in Latin, prohibiting people from understanding its true meaning.
    Thousands of scholars and millions were burned alive because they translated the bible in English!
    They died with their translated work hanged on their necks.

    INDULGENCES?
    PURGATORY?
    MARY MOTHER OF GOD?

    The church already admitted they were false.
    THE APARITIONS OF MARY ARE NOT TRUE.
    The priests who claimed them admitted.

    VATICAN II
    THE REFORMED CATHOLIC CHURCH??

    The NOW Catholic church adopted every protestant teaching there was.

    BUT preserved the papacy.

    Pope John Paul said, “Do not come to Christ for mercy, come to me.”
    Who is he?? HE’S NOT GOD.

    AND he said he stated that he believes in the theory of evolution??
    That completely contradicts bible history.

    I am not without sin.

    Clearly, you are losing grasp of what you thought you firmly believed in by the length of your comment.

    Know your Christian history.

    • Wilberg
      October 7, 2010 at 1:01 am | #474

      Where did you get your phony history and claims? Are you that desperate to discredit the Church? You are embarrassing yourself.

      • urak
        October 7, 2010 at 10:24 am | #475

        You read world history…try research inquisition.

    • Sir
      October 7, 2010 at 9:19 am | #476

      Pareng Jur,

      Ang topic ay tungkol sa RH Bill.

      It’s good that you ask these questions because it means you show interest, but don’t you think they are better off posted on a catholic forum where they can be addressed properly?

      I see a lot of misinformation on your posts, but am stopping you there.
      It is considered an etiquette to keep your posts on topic and spare the other readers from getting confused.

    • jlocute
      October 7, 2010 at 10:29 am | #477

      You have so many questions and you yourself doesn’t exert effort to find the answers of it. Are you? Then go to a Catholic forum and let your eyes and ears open. Do not be close minded. I am saying this to you with gentleness because almost all the words in this forum are already full of emotions. Be careful of not hurting feelings of others by not saying bad and nonsense words, that is not Christ-like. Please, let us control our emotions and be gentle. This is a virtue that we must practice here on earth.

      • urak
        October 7, 2010 at 1:54 pm | #478

        You are the one who is close minded…dig into the history of the roman catholic, the lives of many of your popes, the basis of your doctrineS…educate your self with the word of God and not on written documents of your Church leaders. GO BACK TO THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY- THE BIBLE.

        • jlocute
          October 7, 2010 at 4:06 pm | #479

          All religions and sects (except Catholics) based their belief only in the Bible. See the difference? you are all the same on your belief of the Bible and yet all of you are different with one another because you believe that the bible is the only one. We have the Traditions and messages from heaven to saints, messages of the Blessed Mother Mary and many visionaries and mystics. Catholic is the only one.

          Give me some verses then of your claim? Does it written in the Bible? I told you even the word Bible is not written in the Bible.
          Tell me then your doctrine of Bible alone.

  66. alex
    October 7, 2010 at 6:47 am | #480

    ayoko sa RH Bill na ito. Kung babasahin lang natin napakapositibo ngunit kung susuriin natin ng maigi sa likod nito maraming kasamaan ang maidudulot sa tao. Ang buhay ay biyayang kaloob ng Diyos sa bawat tao ngunit kung mayroong hahadlang sa paglago ng buhay, hinahadlangan nito ang plano ng Diyos at ang ang paghadlang sa plano ng Diyos ay pagsuway sa Diyos.Sino ang tao para hadlangan ang buhay na ibibigay ng Diyos? ang paghihirap ng maraming Pilipino ay hindi dahil sa malaking populasyon kundi sa kurapsyon. marami sa atin ang reklamo ng reklamo malaki daw ang populasyon kaya tayo ay naghihirap sa palagay ko hindi dapat. maraming pilipino ang nagpapakasasa sa yaman tulad ng “mayaman at si Lazaro” marami ang Kotse, bahay, aso na kung minsan ay mahalaga pa sa tao. sa halip na pahalagahan ang tao iba ang pinahahalagahan. ang tanong ko sa mga nagsusulong ng Bill na ito ano na nga ba ang nagawa nyo para sa mga kapwa Pilipinong naghihirap? kaya ba ninyong ibigay pati buhay niyo para sa mga maliliit na ito? Kung ang Diyos (KRISTO) ay nagpakatao at ibinigay ang buhay NIYA para sa atin ano ang karapatan natin para hadlangan ang buhay. ang “paghadlang” sa buhay ay pagtanggi sa buhay at ang pagtanggi sa buhay ay pagtanngi sa Diyos na pinagmumulan ng buhay. ASK GOD FIRST. Brothers and Sisters.

  67. October 7, 2010 at 11:09 am | #481

    Wilberg :

    “bully tactic #1 : threaten aquino with excommunication even though the bishop knew very well there is no basis for it.”

    According to the teaching of the Church where the president belongs, “Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.” Even the abortion and contraceptive industries know very well that the Pill, IUD, and other so-called contraceptives can kill a zygote. These people can change and manipulate medical definitions but the truth remains that at the moment where the spermatozoon penetrates the ovum (fertilization), a human being is conceived, and to create an environment, through these killing agents, that is hostile to the human zygote is nothing less than an abortion. It is not the CBCP who wrote that, “Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life.”

    “bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding aquino of what happened during the People Power Revolution.”

    I will ask once again, how will it be possible for the State to be bullied? Can’t it not stand for what it believes is right? Furthermore, civil disobedience in this case is a responsibility of all true Catholics. The bishops and the faithful are saying these words with Peter and the other apostles: “We must obey God rather than men!”

    Now, how about the people who the bill is really trying to bully? They just don’t matter?

    threatening the president with excommunication and civil disobedience is not the church stating what it believes in. it is a threat. it is bullying.

    the church can state whatever it believes in, but that is not just what it is doing, it is forcing the administration to adapt its beliefs as state policy.

    aquino’s position is to allow BOTH traditional methods of contraception AND modern methods of contraception. aquino’s position INCLUDES the beliefs of the church.

    the catholic church on the other hand is trying to bully aquino to EXCLUDE modern methods of contraception and promote only traditional methods of contraception.

    • Wilberg
      October 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm | #482

      “threatening the president with excommunication and civil disobedience is not the church stating what it believes in. it is a threat. it is bullying.”

      You should read the comments and stories that prove you wrong when you’re insisting that the bishops threaten Noynoy of excommunication. Aside from that, if the Church sees that a leader (a public figure and servant that is supposed to protect the citizens) are acting in moral error, it is not wrong to remind him that he might be excommunicated. But again, that is not even the case here. Bishop Odchimar was even reluctant to talk about excommunication. It is the media who assumed that the bishop is threatening the president.

      “the church can state whatever it believes in, but that is not just what it is doing, it is forcing the administration to adapt its beliefs as state policy.”

      The Church is protesting against the proposals of the RH bill, it is not “forcing” anybody. It is constantly resisting – a reaction rather than an initiative – the proposed policies that it deems harmful. If the force that you are referring to is the “excommunication threat”, then that force is nonexistent.

      “aquino’s position is to allow BOTH traditional methods of contraception AND modern methods of contraception. aquino’s position INCLUDES the beliefs of the church.”

      Again, just to make my stand clear, there is no such thing as modern methods – only artificial ones. So to avoid repetitions about this, better use the words “natural” and “artificial”, rather than the propagandists’ terms, “traditional” and “modern” as if they really exist.

      Artificial methods are not illegal or disallowed in the country, and the bishops do not even protest against having contraceptives in the pharmacies nationwide. What they oppose is the idea that couples, students, and all the citizens in general will be miseducated about contraception, values, beliefs, and behaviors toward sexuality to create a contraceptive culture, and that we will be obliged to give our money for something that we fight against.

      You are casually ignoring the question: “Who really are being bullied?” Who are being violated?

    • Sir
      October 7, 2010 at 1:12 pm | #483

      @wawam
      Again, there is no threat of excommunication against p-noy.
      http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202368/cbcp-chief-no-threat-of-excommunication-vs-aquino

      Kindly read the Disclaimer of Bishop Nereo Odchimar, D.D., CBCP President

  68. laarni amoncio
    October 7, 2010 at 12:10 pm | #484

    It is very sad because the mentality of the people is like this” kaya ka mahirap dahil malaki ang family mo” baka naman kaya mahirap hindi sa laki ng family but because of corruption. hindi masikip and pilipinas nagsisiksikan lang sa maynila.contraceptive is not only the issue sa rh bill kundi the acro name na DEATH meaning,, DIVORCE, MERCY KILLING,ABORTION,TOTAL PUPOLATION CONTROL,AT HOMOSEXUAL.KAYA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FOR RH BILL…THIS IS THE ISSUE OF MORALITY KAYA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NAKIKIALAM. NAKAKALUNGKOT DIN NA NONOY MOTHER’S IS VERY RELIGIOUS bkit hindi niya alam na this is not good for the humanity. ang mahirap kasi kulang tayo ng disiplina we do what we want to do but not what we ought to do.kaya mahirap din ang buhay ng iba nating kababayan dahil sa katamaran at sugal hindi dahil sa malaking papolasyon..hanggang ngayon ang mahirap ay talagang naghihirap at ang mayaman ay yumayaman kasi hindi patas. walang gustong magshare ng wealth nila..hindi naman nila maisasama kapag nmatay sila, masyado kasi tayong maraming kailangan na hindi naman importante.

  69. Sir
    October 7, 2010 at 3:20 pm | #485

    What is the bill meant for anyway? What is the root reason on why this was created?

    Freedom to choose? Womens rights?
    The Filipino people already have the right and freedom to choose between traditional methods of contraception AND modern methods of contraception. Rendering this bill useless because today, the freedom to choose is already practiced. Denying this bill doesn’t mean one is against freedom or womens rights.

    How about spreading the know how of contraceptives? Aren’t the nurses doing that already? Heck, nurses today wouldn’t be able to graduate without having to talk about contraceptives to people. They even alot time to talk about this on seminars or medical outreach sessions.

    How about overpopulation then?
    If you consider thinning out the populace as an investment for this country, please think again. We have tons of Filipino people already migrating to other countries to cater to their needs for manpower because those countries thought that controlling their demographics was best for them. I don’t wanna see that replicated in our country. I love this country, that’s why I am against RH bill.

    Too many mouths to feed?
    The mouths you feed today will be be the ones feeding the mouths of your grand children and great grandchildren, think about that. As a parent, it is your responibilty and duty to teach and mold your children into great men and women. This means you have to put them above your own wants and ambitions. That is what a real parent is all about, sacrifice. Raising children is not easy and it will never be. To compromise oneself for the other, that is love. Bring that love to your children and am sure they won’t be leaving you in ‘old age homes’ when you grow old.

    Tell me how will contraception compare to that. When you can easily give in to your want for sex because you know that it is safe against pregnancy. Is it not selfish love? The uncompromising one? What separates you now from an animal? Is there reason involved in the act of sex with contraception? Isn’t that just lust? We all know sex connotes pro creation. Gusto pa nating tanggalin ang pro creation. That why most relationships today do not prosper, kasi hindi na marunong mag sakripisyo puro ginhawa at sarap lang hanap. Look at the western countries today, so many broken and extended families. How about their poor kids? They say they are not poor because the real parents are financially taking care of them. But aren’t they poor from love?

    And regarding making these contraceptives free for all unmarried and married individuals. I’d rather have the taxes I pay to the government be invested in projects with greater ROI (return of investment). Than have my sons and daughters fed this contraceptive bullcrap and immerse them in temptation. The world already has enough temptation without this. Having RH bill around just make it harder for parents to transist good moral values and protect their family.

    We are human, we are made to do great things, to protect our wives, our children, our family.

  70. red
    October 7, 2010 at 3:53 pm | #486

    hi,

    It is not true that the Catholic church is only for Natural Family planning. The Church also allows the use of contraceptives in other cases..

    please read this article to avoid misrepresenting the Catholic Church.
    http://catholicposition.blogspot.com/2010/10/why-p-noy-should-go-on-with-his.html

    Tnx!

    • Wilberg
      October 7, 2010 at 8:43 pm | #487

      The Catholic Position blog site is not even Catholic.

  71. October 7, 2010 at 4:40 pm | #488

    If you are still trying to question the Church’s stand against the RH bill, why don’t you make a research on what is happening in countries where the bill has been implemented some 10 to 30 years ago. You would find that their population growth is in the negative and in the next 20 years, their economies will collapse as their population is moving towards past 50s and 60s. Besides, you might have heard of indiscriminate sex and abortion among youths as young as 12 years of old. For sure, one will definitely know that RH bill is satanic when the person dies and settles in hell together with all pro-choice doctors, politicians, would be mothers, prostitutes, gays, profligates, adulterers, etc. While you still have a chance

    • ELITISTAKAUNO?
      October 18, 2010 at 11:51 pm | #489

      thats not really the case since our businesses more automatic. 20 years from now, jobs that people used to have will be transferred to machines so population does not really matter. what matters is that the states form a sustainable economy able to support the population. however, since this is only a prediction we cannot be sure that this will actually happen. the same thing goes for your prediction that their economies will fall. oh yeah, we’ll really have to settle in hell because heaven will probably be too populated with people like you who are intolerant of other people’s beliefs and way of life that God will leave heaven and join us in hell hahahhaha

  72. Neigyl R. Noval
    October 7, 2010 at 11:45 pm | #490

    urak :
    I said biblical text. Do not give me quotations from popes and other Roman catholic personalities. Because they could be wrong with their interpretations or might be based on traditions which are not biblical.
    Biblical passage please!

    Urak

    Here:

    http://www.maryourmother.net/Life.html

    That is the reason why the Church is against the RH bill. Life begins at conception and it is there in the Bible. So during the time when the sperm cell and the egg cell meets, life is now formed! However, the natural tendency of the flow of sperm cell to the egg cell is being distorted by the contraceptives. That is the main reason why contraceptives is considered as a MURDER to the new-born life. Again, it is because life begins at conception and not when the fetus is made visible to the womb.

  73. October 8, 2010 at 1:07 am | #491

    To all my dear Filipinos,
    Ask yourself this before wanting this RH Bill to be passed,

    “What if this bill was passed earlier? What if my parents took these pills and followed the artificial family planning suggested by this bill? Would I still be able to have my say on this subject today?”

    • Sir
      October 8, 2010 at 8:18 am | #492

      “What if I was the 11th son of a poor family?”

      “If I had more brothers or sisters, I would be willing to work myself out to bring them good education. As a help to my parents.” – I know some selfless individuals who are like this, and I honor them with great respect.

      • Speak
        October 9, 2010 at 10:14 pm | #493

        “What if I was the 11th son of a poor family?”

        Knowing they were poor, they still gave life to me, and because of that, I know that they wanted me to be born, they love me, and will do everything they can to care for me.

        Sir, I agree with your latter statement, and I, too, honor these individuals with great respect.

    • ELITISTAKAUNO?
      October 18, 2010 at 11:53 pm | #494

      it probably does not matter because we won’t have the problem we have now if they did hahaha

      • Speak
        October 23, 2010 at 9:57 pm | #495

        But we will now be faced with even BIGGER problems. Look at the other countries who have implemented these types of laws, their problems are even bigger than ours now.

        • October 25, 2010 at 4:20 pm | #496

          what countries have the same law as the RH Bill?

  74. marvin santos
    October 8, 2010 at 8:34 am | #497

    Sir :@wawamAgain, there is no threat of excommunication against p-noy.http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202368/cbcp-chief-no-threat-of-excommunication-vs-aquino
    Kindly read the Disclaimer of Bishop Nereo Odchimar, D.D., CBCP President

    even a turtle with half a brain understands that is a threat. it is not like the church has not done the same shit with other pro-rh bill proponents.