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Millions Of Pinoy Catholics (71%) Face MASS EXCOMMUNICATION by CBCP

a certain Bishop Nereo Odchimar, president of CBCP, the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines said president noynoy faces the threat of excommunication if the president promotes the distribution of modern methods of contraception like the pill, IUD and condoms.

let’s assume the bishop knows what he is talking about and that he is not just bullying noynoy aquino, applying the same logic, based on an SWS survey. a high 71% of pinoy catholics will need to  be excommunicated as well as that represents the number of catholics who support RH Bill 5043.

(click here to read: https://2010presidentiables.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/noynoy-aquino-favors-free-choice-for-contraception-method-philippine-catholic-church-goes-gaga/)

a key component of RH Bill 5043 is  the government will provide support, information and promotion of all types of contraceptive methods, which includes traditional or natural methods that the catholic church exclusively supports and modern or artificial methods of contraception. this is exactly the same position of president noynoy – that pinoy couples will be given free choice on  the kind of contraception they will use.

if supporting the use of modern or artificial methods of contraception will get president noynoy excommunicated, then the rest of the 71% of catholics who support RH Bill 5043 will need to be excommunicated as well.

don’t know if  the bishop realizes this, but the bishop’s bully threat if carried out will deplete the catholic church in the philippines. there will be no catholic church to speak of.

aside from this huge number of catholics who support the RH Bill, the CBCP will need to excommunicate doctors, nurses, health workers and DOH employees and officers who also support and prescribe modern methods of contraception.

Bishop Nereo Odchimar’s action of mass excommunication of pinoy catholics will in a snap of a finger turn this country to something very different from what we used to know it to be. one of the things the philippines is known for is for being a catholic country.

let us hope Bishop Nereo Odchimar thinks about this a little bit more.

some questions we have on this mass excommunication of pinoy catholics – (a) how will the excommunication be done? a letter or memo? mass de-baptism? ; (b) what will happen to the catholic churches that are on every town?

Aquino faces threat of excommunication

Protester shouts at bishops: ‘Damaso!’

By Philip Tubeza
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 01:01:00 10/01/2010

MANILA, Philippines — Raising the ante in their conflict over birth control, the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) president Thursday said President Benigno Aquino III could be “excommunicated” if he actively promoted the distribution of artificial contraceptives to Filipino couples.

Mr. Aquino, a practising Catholic, recently signified support for couples who would want to limit the number of their children by using contraceptives. His statement has been taken to mean he would favor government distribution of contraceptives to them.

“Being the President of all, you must consider the position of the Catholic Church because we are approaching this issue from the moral aspect,” the CBCP president, Bishop Nereo Odchimar, said on Church-run Radio Veritas.

“Abortion is a grave crime. Excommunication is attached to those. That is an issue of gravity, that is a violation of God’s commandment,” he stressed.

Asked if Mr. Aquino could be excommunicated if he promoted the distribution of contraceptives, the CBCP president said: “That is a possibility.”

But Odchimar added: “Right now, it is not a proximate possibility.” He said, however, that “we will look into that.”

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20101001-295320/Aquino-faces-threat-of-excommunication

  1. ilding parin
    October 2, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Sige mga DAMASO!!! Sige mga Noisy, self righteous, tyrannical bunch of bullying religionists with IQ a litle above room temperature, sige mag ingay kayo ng mag ingay. Lalong dadami ang mga Carlos Celdran. Lalong dadami ang mga LAPSED CATHOLICS.

    Of all people, dapat alam ninyo we are a SECULAR NATION without being told. Hindi na nga kayo nagbabayad ng TAX, tapos nakikialam pa kayo sa pamamalakad ng ating pamahalaan. Tama na! Sobra na!

    P-Noy, please don’t be cowed by a few noisy and bullying men in fancy robes. The whole clergy campaigned against you. Si delos Reyes, yung kulelat ang binitbit nila. You don’t owe these bullies anything. Do what your conscience tell you. Let them make noise . . . you have the last say.

    ilding parin

  2. Sean
    October 3, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    excommunication?! i cant believe that this word still being uttered as a warning by Roman Catholic hierarchy in this modern times. It is also being used during Middle Ages (5th century to the 15th century) to control kings, nobles, for controlling power and to get lands and estates (WOW!). It is also use to HINDER scientific advancement during “CHRISTIAN DARK AGES”. The genius Galileo is one of the victim of these “megalomaniacs” in robes during inquisitions (1184 to 1860). These religious bigots are tax exempted as their rights guaranteed by law and yet they are violating the basic rights of individuals to choose for the betterment of their futures just to follow religious, unscientific, irrational, faith-base MYTH!

    My countrymen (a willing victims) are being drag back by these bigots in robe in its wreaking altars and wants every Filipino’s mere commonsense, reason, and free inquiry as A LIVING Human SACRIFICE!!

  3. October 4, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    a significant number of catholics support RH Bill 5043, even slightly higher than non-catholics.

    • Sean
      October 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm

      71%?!! this means that if a referendum will be held, this bill will be in reality!! that’s a good thing to think! (for this…many will be excommunicated thats for sure)

    • JerCey
      October 9, 2010 at 2:06 am

      No, it is not anymore used by Roman Catholic. Just those people who were not known or so much familiar of the issue is saying about it. Actually the CBCP has no statements about it. It was just a leaked to one of the newspaper here in the Philippines.

  4. JerCey
    October 9, 2010 at 2:02 am

    Where does this news came. Don’t you know that there is no such statement that the Church says about ex-communication. Even the CBCP was shocked when they heard about the news which is very far from it’s view of EXCOM. That word is very sensitive and holy to the Church itself. Mostly by CBCP President Nereo Odchimar since he is a well-known Canon Lawyer and an expert in Canon Law. CBCP Spokesperson said,”If the CBCP stated such of that word, then it is a big shame to our President since the sensitivity of the word is actually known by him and it is not advisable for anyone nor anybody to say that such word.”

    As of now, the CBCP is investigating about the issue. Also, how come one says that a lot of Filipino is subject to Ex-Communication. ARE YOU GUILTY? 71%? Of course no one can say that because we are not the Holy Church.

    • Sean
      October 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm

      excommunicate? who cares i am not even a catholic or any of its judeo-christian counter parts…all i am concern is this IRRATIONAL FAITH BASE MYTH that your holy church is still (since the CHRISTIAN DARK AGES!!!) trying to drill upon human’s basic commonsense. Your church is tax free guaranteed by the law (TO BAD) and yet your church is violating the basic rights of this country’s citizen to choose what is right to build a better future. AND “your church” doesn’t even respect the basic law of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE..

      • October 9, 2010 at 2:52 pm

        “your church is violating the basic rights of this country’s citizen to choose what is right to build a better future”

        How come?

        “your church doesn’t even respect the basic law of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE”

        You don’t know what you’re saying. Can you please give us the authoritative meaning of the separation of Church and State? Also, be kind enough to cite your source (one thing that doesn’t need to be requested). Filipinos are always defining things according to the popular opinion. Even the title of this blog is being accepted as if it is true.

        • Sean
          October 9, 2010 at 9:09 pm

          oh i am definite on what i am saying and you trying to act foolishly?

          you know what i mean.

          its so obvious like the sunshine on your face and you are blind by your irrational faith.
          you and the modern DAMASOs in fancy robes just don’t get it..

          the author of the RH bill have seen the obvious problem in our society and yet you and your coreligionist trying to hinder a solution that other country have done just to imposed FALSE morality.

          • October 10, 2010 at 1:46 am

            “oh i am definite on what i am saying and you trying to act foolishly?”

            Then share it to us in a definite way. If I am a fool, maybe you should educate me. Besides, I may not be alone here who will learn from your wisdom. If you’re saying that it’s obvious, then obviously you can easily point it out. Just try to be more specific with your arguments than just using the words “foolish”, “blind”, “irrational”, “DAMASO”, “fancy robes”, and “FALSE morality” because they’re just occupying space and explains nothing. Speak more intelligently if you want to show off knowledge.

            • Sean
              October 10, 2010 at 6:11 am

              i have read most of the post here..it was well explained why the RH bill must pass.

              the bottom line is RH bill is hurting the very core of your church doctrine and naturally (irrationally) you and the church is reacting.

              a simple Ockham’s Razor..`”entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily”

              the RH bill is SIMPLY the State’s reaction to the growing population here…

              a congressman propose it…”umaray” kayo because its hurts “your man made doctrine” that’s all…and you and your bishops simply want to impose this made made doctrine to us..that’s all…

              • Sean
                October 10, 2010 at 6:25 am

                the RH bill will be pass that’s for sure…

                just like science proved that the earth round while your predecessor (early catholic doctrine) believe it is flat and victimize countless lives during inquisitions…

                • October 10, 2010 at 7:35 am

                  Same reply. The stage is all yours.

      • Ed
        May 13, 2011 at 10:28 am

        So what is ‘the basic law of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE’? I assume you mean Section 5, Article III of the 1987 Constitution right? If I may quote:

        “Section 5. No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed. No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.”

        So what did ‘your church’ violate in this law again? Enlighten us please.

        And because you’re not Catholic, as you say, here’s what excommunication means my friend:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication#The_Catholic_Church or just look it up on Google.

  5. marvin santos
    October 9, 2010 at 11:02 am

    JerCey :Where does this news came. Don’t you know that there is no such statement that the Church says about ex-communication. Even the CBCP was shocked when they heard about the news which is very far from it’s view of EXCOM. That word is very sensitive and holy to the Church itself. Mostly by CBCP President Nereo Odchimar since he is a well-known Canon Lawyer and an expert in Canon Law. CBCP Spokesperson said,”If the CBCP stated such of that word, then it is a big shame to our President since the sensitivity of the word is actually known by him and it is not advisable for anyone nor anybody to say that such word.”
    As of now, the CBCP is investigating about the issue. Also, how come one says that a lot of Filipino is subject to Ex-Communication. ARE YOU GUILTY? 71%? Of course no one can say that because we are not the Holy Church.

    it is actually bishop odchimar who threatened aquino of excommunication.

    • Ed
      May 13, 2011 at 9:23 am

      Hello Marvin, I’d like to clarify some misunderstanding on this topic.

      First, Bishop Odchimar never threatened President Aquino of excommunication. He was merely asked a HYPOTHETICAL question on a radio interview over Veritas.

      Radio Veritas: “Pag nag-STEP IN na po si Pres. Aquino ng pamimigay ng contraceptives, automatic po bang excommunicated na siya ng Catholic Church?”

      Bishop Odchimar: “We have to look into it. We have to EXHAUST ALL MEANS to come to a point of confrontation.”

      Radio Veritas: “Possibility po yun bishop?”

      Bishop Odchimar: “It can be a possibility, but I do NOT say now na it is a PROXIMATE possibility.”

      The bishop was just asked a question and he answered it, plain and simple.

      Do we even know what excommunication is and what it is for? From Wikipedia:

      In Roman Catholic canon law, excommunication is a censure and thus a “medicinal penalty” intended to invite the person to change behaviour or attitude, to repent and return to full communion.[1] It is not an “expiatory penalty”, designed to make satisfaction for the wrong done, still less a merely “vindictive penalty”, designed solely to punish.

      Excommunicated Catholics are still Catholics and remain bound by obligations such as attending Mass, even though they are barred from receiving the Eucharist and from taking an active part in the liturgy (reading, bringing the offerings, etc.).[3] However, their communion with the Church is considered gravely impaired.[4] In spite of that, they are urged to retain a relationship with the Church, as the goal is to encourage them to repent and return to active participation in its life.

      Hope this helps.

      • May 13, 2011 at 9:19 pm

        that is a threat alright. but it was misused by the bishop. not a surprise that these kinds of bully tactics are being used by the church. they have been doing so on the RH Bill issue for a very long time. only, it has been very ineffective. but they are bully tactics.

  6. Sean
    October 10, 2010 at 7:35 am

    Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. – Albert Camus

  7. Sean
    October 19, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    we humans have traveled so far intellectually:

    from astrology to astronomy, from alchemy to chemistry, from scripture to literature,
    from religion to philosophy, from faith to free inquiry,

    and most of all (here in the Philippines) from Genesis 9:7 to RH Bill 5043

    STOP being Religiously BLIND!

  8. gerry
    February 14, 2011 at 8:48 am

    it is very sad to see, a lot of you, filipino people have missed your own identity of religiosity which lead you to true life. the One,Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ is the only one fighting the right of human dignity. have you noticed when Jesus Christ is ti be cricified?! nothing go with Him, did he turn back? no but instead he fight until the end of his life for YOU! RH Bill is truly a very animalistic propaganda… do you know that what is wrong is always wrong, what is good will always be right. there is no such thing as pro-choice! how foolish people are today! observe other denominations, sects or religion, why is it that they do not react on this kind of difficult situation? recognize the only true religion who is the light of the world. it is said, a city set on a hill cannot be hidden which the bible speaks aboutthe catholic church… my dear brothers, as St. Paulo would say, recognize your dignity…. we are not american, we are not prostitutes, we are not liberated people and mostly we are not anima… may God bring ti fulfillment what the Catholic Church is fighting for.

    • Kay
      May 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm

      Gerry, stfu.

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